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Kellhus/Ajokli stops the Chorae-equipped skinspies so he knows they are something more than a rock or a waterfall.
And the opposite also happens, when Cnaiur/Ajokli/Gilgaol? goes to face the Whirlwind the Sranc make way for him, as if sensing that you do not f*ck with this guy.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Identity of the Mutilated
« on: March 14, 2018, 02:03:16 pm »
Maybe not a real traitor, just someone who accepts that they're going to be defeated and decides it's meaningless to continue to fight a battle already lost.
Sorcery was the decisive factor, the thing that turned the tide of the battle, the Dunyain retreat into the Thousand Thousand Halls (maybe the very definition of Conditioned Ground) and still they are unable to win against these invaders.
I can totally see some Dunyain rational enough to try to avoid utter destruction for their tribe.

The Inverse Fire is naught but a window into my House,” the Dark God-Emperor said.
TUC, Chapter 18

Seems pretty straightforward to me

The Unholy Consult / Re: Rereading The Unholy Consult
« on: November 27, 2017, 08:12:04 am »
I think that for some people it caused too much suspension of disbelief.
Here we are in the middle of the most epic battle ever fought and out comes a dragon repeating the word "cunny" with the pleasure of an 8-year old who has just learned a bad word.
It's jarring, even more so if the dragons are not biological monsters but AIs in a robotic body. Imagine The Terminator chasing Sarah Connor while he repeats "cunny cunny cunny"

The Unholy Consult / Esmenet's pregnancies
« on: October 23, 2017, 10:38:32 am »
“Tell me, Captain,” she says, her voice pinched shrill. “Why do you think I fled the Andiamine Heights?”
Even his blink seems a thing graven, as if mere flesh were too soft to contain such a gaze.
“Why does any girl flee her stepfather’s home?” she asks.
The lie is a foolish one: he need only guess at the length of her term to realize there is no way she could have been impregnated in Momemn. But then, what would a man such as him know of pregnancy, let alone one borne of a divine violation? Her mother had carried all her brothers and sisters far beyond the usual term.

I was re-reading WLW, Chapter 12 and I found this.
So Esmenet's pregnancies lasted longer than usual (11 months? 12?) while Mimara's seems to be shorter. Now I wonder if Esmenet ever talked about when she was pregnant of her.
I also wonder about the children born after 4121 (IIRC it's only Kelmomas and Samarmas) and if they were influenced by Kellhus being possessed by Ajokli.
Just to have a laugh I imagined some pillow talk like
"Kellhus love, you' ve never been so horn-y. Four times!"
"Four is my number, baby"

I'll reiterate for posterity that I don't think Kellhus and Ajokli made any deals.

Then why is Ajokli mad with him after the Resumption?

“ANASÛRIMBOR!” he roared in no human voice. “HEAR ME, DECEIVER!”


The Unholy Consult / Re: The Cover
« on: October 08, 2017, 01:44:14 pm »
International best-selling author B.C. Chase?!?
I don't know if I should laugh or cry

The Unholy Consult / Re: (TUC spoilers) Esme, what makes her so important
« on: September 01, 2017, 05:03:12 pm »
H, mentioned that Esme brought The Prophet (Mimara) and also The No-God (Kelmommas) into the world.

Not only that, she's the only non-Dunyain woman to give Kellhus live children (even if a little mad).
There must be a reason for it: because she's saved? Because she's an angelic Ciphrang? But why is she?

The Unholy Consult / Re: Who actually liked TUC?
« on: August 23, 2017, 06:45:13 am »
Wikipedia reminds me that there is dick-eating in "Moebius" by Kim Ki-duk but the film is not very graphic, it's more art-house than gore/splatter.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Merchandising the Second Apocalypse
« on: August 09, 2017, 11:49:54 am »
Now I am thinking about a t-shirt with a smiling Stalin and the phrase "Where you fall as fodder, I descend as hunger."

The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Serwa and Kelmomas
« on: August 07, 2017, 02:47:34 pm »
The very World had become as a mill about her, every city, every soul wheels spinning within wheels, murmuring in places, groaning throughout. And in all creation Golgotterath was the most violent grinding gear.
The place most unpredictable.
“Now, Kayûtas!”
She sensed it even as she shouted, the prick of oblivion, no more than two paces to her right, just appearing as if drawn from a pocket ...
She did not need to hear the click.
The quarrel barely stubbed her knuckle, and yet it was enough—more than enough.
The ancient Cindersword did not so much fall from her hand as with ...
The Princess-Imperial slumped to her knees, cradling her stumped right forearm. Blood welled, melting salt as snow.
One hundred, she thought, looking up to the rising menace of Skuthula, the fire-spitting grin ...
One hundred stones.

While it could have been a miscalculation (she counts the Chorae as the hundredth) there's also that just appearing as if drawn from a pocket and Golgotterath as the place most unpredictable.
And having your little brother almost killing you with a magical artifact in the middle of a battle with a dragon, well, it's unpredictable enough to me.

The Unholy Consult / [TUC Spoilers] Glossary findings
« on: August 07, 2017, 06:37:55 am »
I re-read all the entries and took some notes about things that sounded interesting or strange. Some others we are already discussing in other threads.

Aulyanau the Conqueror (895—950)—Legendary ruler of the Cond who defeated Cel-Ongonean at the Battle of River Axau, leading to the Breaking of Ûmerau and the beginning of the Cond Yoke. His subsequent campaigns would unite the Norsirai for the first time since Uskelt Wolfheart. Since references to Aulyanau typically signalled pan-Norsirai sympathies among Middlenorth caste-nobles (particularly the Tydonni), Anasûrimbor Kellhus declared an Excision in 4128, striking all record of his name and famously executing several notables who continued to pretend that such a personage had ever existed.
Byantas (2463-2515)—A near antique writer of the Ceneian Empire. His Translations, an account of all the varied customs of the peoples making up the Empire, would render him famous to later generations. The precision of his observations remain unparalleled. The death of those customs in the intervening centuries has had a profound impact on Three Seas thought, embuing it with a historical self-awareness it had not possessed before. Before Byantas, Men were blind to the fundamental transformations wrought by the passage of time. A far smaller fraction of the soul belonged to the realm of the Immutable after him.
Byantas was Excised by Imperial Authorities in 4121 for perhaps this very reason.

The first Excision I can understand its political reasons but the second? And 4121 again? These are the only two Excisions that we know of.

Excuciata—Famed fresco of the One Hundred and Eleven Hells in the Holy Junriüma, and perhaps the most well-known of the countless artistic renditions of perdition. Apparently inspired by ancient, pre-Arkfall Nonman statuary, the grand image—the product of the legendary “Ten Simpletons” to commemorate the Scholastic Wars in 3800—is the first depiction of the hells that defects from spatial and associative norms, bringing the chaos of damnation to the fore. As a ceiling fresco, it is sometimes referred to as the Hanging Hells or the Inverse Fire.

No idea what it means.

Nausk Mausoleum—The Far-Antique temple in Kelmeol where, according to legend, the bones of the Meori High-King Aratrula the Mad are interred. Convinced of his own damnation, Aratrula fairly enslaved his nation attempting to build a Mausoleum, allegedly lined in plates of lead, that might keep his souls safe from the Outside.

So the Gods are Supermen?  ;D

Pa’bikru—“Warring Glimpse” (Invitic). Known as “Cage-carvings” in the Eastern Three Seas, Pa’bikru are the product of the peculiar spiritual sensibilities of Nilnamesh. In the twilight preceding the ruin of the Ceneian Empire, a nameless monk translated Memgowa’s Celestial Aphorisms into the Invitic dialect of Sheyic, thus inspiring the famed “screen sculpture” of Nilnamesh. The techniques evolved wildly over the centuries, but the premise was always the same: the sculptor would carve miniature scenes, many of them drawn from the Tusk that they then placed in a so-called “peering box” or behind some other obstruction. The original idea was to recreate Memgowa’s conception of the “Blind Beggar Soul.” Like Ajencis, the famed Zeumi sage was forever arguing the folly of Men, but unlike the famed Kyranean philosopher, he argued that it was the inability of the soul to know itself, and not the inability of intellect to grasp the World, that was the origin of the problem.
In Celestial Aphorisms, the Sage continually returned to the Rebuke of Angeshraël in The Chronicle of the Tusk, the famed story where War, dread Gilgaöl, upbraids the Prophet for “peering through cracks and describing skies.” He also uses the legend of Ilbaru, a Zeumi folk tale about a man who spies his wife through a cracked shutter, and confusing her attempt to save his wounded brother for an act of passion, murders her, and then must watch his brother die. His argument, refracted through the smoked glass of his aphoristic style, is that the soul is that which sees, and therefore can scarcely be seen.
Thus the aesthetic of screen sculpture: the creation of scenes that utterly contradicted the way they appeared when seen through some fixed aperture.
Historically, the most famous of these was Modhoraparta’s “Dance of the Demons,” where the face of the God of Gods viewed through the aperture became a group of demonic monstrosities viewed from all other angles. The rumour of the work so incensed Shriah Ekyannus IX that in 3682 he outlawed all art works that “blaspheme the Simple, the Pure, and the True with foul Complication.” At his trial in Invishi, Modhoraparta claimed that he wanted to show the how the myriad evils suffered by Men find themselves redeemed in the God of Gods. Indeed, all the sculptor’s acts, let alone his work and his claims, argued that he was as devout as any who would presume to judge him. He would be burned for impiety nonetheless: reason counts for naught in matters of outrage—truth even less so. In those days, the Thousand Temples was always eager to display its authority in Nilnamesh, where the scalding sun and indolent air seemed to engender heresy as regularly as harvests.

All you Fanim rejoice.

Sadu’waralla ab Daza (4084—)—Ordealman, Chieftain of the Low Imit, General of the Khirgwi contingent in the Great Ordeal of Anasûrimbor Kellhus. A sufferer of the apoplexy, he is famed across the Three Seas for visions confirming the identity of the Aspect-Emperor, even though the Khirgwi are renowned for refusing to relinquish their ancient forms of devil worship.

People worshiping Kellhus because they know he is a demon, not in spite of it.

Sack of Sarneveh—One of several Orthodox Ainoni cities plundered by the Zaudunyani during the Unification Wars, noteworthy for the subsequent dissemination of the Toll, and the knowledge that some five thousand children had been butchered. The historian Hem-Maristat notes that following the infamous pamphlet, Kellhus ceased his meticulous account of lives lost.
Toll—Orthodox pamphlet circulated during the Unification Wars, containing the Imperial Appraisal detailing the numbers of dead woman and children counted following the Sack of Sarneveh in 4120.

Those years again.

That's it, I wanted to leave these clues here hoping someone smarter than me will know what to do with them.

That might just be because he's an important character? Main characters and the like don't usually get glossary entries... :-\

Nevermind, Soter is with the Ordeal at Golgotterath during TUC, he cannot be Kosoter.
But if Kosoter is a Ciphrang or something like that it makes sense to give him a name that could pass for Ainoni (there is also a Kusjeter who dies in TWP) and a name similar to that of people who actually fought in the Holy War.
Anyway, there was clearly something going on in Ainon during 4121.

In 4121, following the installation of Nurbanu Soter as King-Regent of High Ainon, the Holy Aspect-Emperor famously stayed in Kiz as a guest of Heramari Iyokus, the famed Blind Necromancer, learning the most forbidden of the forbidden arts, the Daimos

Soter, Nurbanu (4069–)—Ordealman, Believer-King of High Ainon, leader of the Ainoni contingent in the Great Ordeal of Anasûrimbor Kellhus. Originally Palatine of the Ainoni district of Kishyat when he joined the First Holy War, but made “King-Regent” of High Ainon as reward for his role in the Unification Wars. Renowned for his pragmatic brutality.

And there is no Kosoter entry in the Glossary (even Koll has one!).

Ingiaban, Sristai (4059—4121)—Man-of-the-Tusk, Palatine of the Conriyan province of Kethantei. Murdered by thieves while visiting family in Aoknyssus.

Another one?

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