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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] The Parts Appalling
« on: October 26, 2016, 11:45:40 pm »
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers]Kellhus, savior or not?
« on: October 26, 2016, 11:42:51 pm »
I agree, but to be fair that was never his intention and I doubt it ever would be. The world is still gonna be fucked, whatever happens, though it might be more mundane if the Consult are gone.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] The DREAMS
« on: October 02, 2016, 10:33:10 pm »
Yeah they're new to this 'trilogy'. Do ye think Seswatha is the cause of these new visions and he has a plan, or something else? I just assumed it was Seswatha's doing the whole time but it could easily be someone else.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO Spoilers) Son of the Survivor
« on: October 02, 2016, 10:29:57 pm »
Yeahp, cool so I misremembered. 
It's handy having the book back 
It's handy having the book back
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The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO Spoilers) Son of the Survivor
« on: October 01, 2016, 06:05:11 pm »
Ta. I like yours more 
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The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO Spoilers) Son of the Survivor
« on: October 01, 2016, 01:16:27 pm »
I think people are making a huge leap here - we don't even know if the child showed more emotions than other Dunyain babies. Even if he did, it's a baby. I'd be surprised if the assessor could tell how much emotional a baby would be when it grows up. Even if he could, their entire lives are dedicated to the Logos and removal from emotions. I don't think babies who cry or laugh too much would be branded as defective. He does have a fucked up hand though, so chuck him in the defected room.
@Ciphrank, it was Koringhus who could not deny the interval between himself and his son, not the other way around.
@Ciphrank, it was Koringhus who could not deny the interval between himself and his son, not the other way around.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: Kellhus's Visions
« on: September 30, 2016, 02:44:56 pm »
I don't think it's Koringhus. He has been absorbed into the absolute and isn't coming back unless it is the God in his form... Honestly I just think it's Kellhus. The impression I got was that the God doesn't give a fuck what happens.
Serwe would be very holy, going by Koringhus' revelations. She did not consider TDTCB but embraced her feelings for Kellhus and Esmi without much thought, sort of like how Koringhus saved his son from the Sranc without thought. She was very much a movable soul. I'd say she would have been saved and brought into the Absolute, despite Kelly saying otherwise to Proyas.
Serwe would be very holy, going by Koringhus' revelations. She did not consider TDTCB but embraced her feelings for Kellhus and Esmi without much thought, sort of like how Koringhus saved his son from the Sranc without thought. She was very much a movable soul. I'd say she would have been saved and brought into the Absolute, despite Kelly saying otherwise to Proyas.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: Proyas and the No-God
« on: September 18, 2016, 11:12:01 pm »
This was what I gathered from the whole Kelly - Proyas tutoring. However I'm hesitant to believe it. Mostly because I want Kellhus to be good, but also because it sort of betrays Kellhus' later actions; running home to salvage what he can as soon as the ordeal is safe from the horde. Unless the outside can somehow be shut without the specified number of souls.
Despite my desires to the contrary, I think Kellhus has a devious plan concerning the no god that Proyas will somehow enact with his newfound knowledge or... Something. There are so many variables that couldn't be accounted for, like the nuke.
Cuts and cuts and cuts
Slight addendum sorry am drunk
Despite my desires to the contrary, I think Kellhus has a devious plan concerning the no god that Proyas will somehow enact with his newfound knowledge or... Something. There are so many variables that couldn't be accounted for, like the nuke.
Cuts and cuts and cuts
Slight addendum sorry am drunk
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Why did he return?
« on: September 15, 2016, 02:55:35 am »
Are we sure there was a countdown? Haven't my book with me but I don't remember Saubon saying the text changed. I agree that Kellhus knew nothing of the nuke.
Raises more questions for me. Why did the consult pack the tunnels under dagliash with sranc in order to ambush Kelly if they intended to nuke them? Why did Aurang (Aurax?) show up at all? Why did he turn away - did he detect the nuke somehow? If Kellhus didn't know about the nuke why did he continue to pull crap out of the well when his goal was to block the sranc?
I had another few questions but I need sleep to remember them
Raises more questions for me. Why did the consult pack the tunnels under dagliash with sranc in order to ambush Kelly if they intended to nuke them? Why did Aurang (Aurax?) show up at all? Why did he turn away - did he detect the nuke somehow? If Kellhus didn't know about the nuke why did he continue to pull crap out of the well when his goal was to block the sranc?
I had another few questions but I need sleep to remember them
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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets (2016) - Totals and Specifics
« on: September 15, 2016, 02:38:30 am »
Not to preemptively ruin your experience, but B&B and Assail are ICE's poorest books imo. Assail had so much hype it was nothing near as badass or terrifying as implied by Erikson. Blood and Bone wasn't as disappointing because you know nothing about the land you're being thrown into but it's still not a memorable book.
Am reading Dancer's Lament atm though, nice to see the man come into his own again. These are his stories and he's made a great start at telling them.
Am reading Dancer's Lament atm though, nice to see the man come into his own again. These are his stories and he's made a great start at telling them.
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General Earwa / Re: The Prince of Nothing: TV series
« on: September 15, 2016, 02:27:36 am »
How you would order it so that the viewer isn't confused af by this while apocalypse and suddenly we're 2000 years on is more of a concern. Things may change as such. Carythusal would not make an appearance as an example, not that anyone would miss that. Many character relationships could change for many reasons. They'll get the gist of the story for sure.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] I finished the book, confused about something.
« on: September 11, 2016, 08:07:54 pm »
Is that truly Samarmus, or just one of the "fractions" Koringhus and Kellhus have, which he has tricked himself into thinking it's his dead twin?
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Things you wished had been in TGO/want in future books
« on: September 11, 2016, 07:59:54 pm »
Good thought Sharmat, they basically spent 2,000 years mastering the manipulation of people they have no access to.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Why did he return?
« on: September 11, 2016, 12:51:26 am »
I doubt it takes much time for a Dunyain to recover. A good nights sleep and a warm meal before jumping into the middle of an enemy camp sounds like something he might do. I wonder did he bring any scranc meat with him...
Serwa is the only other person in Earwa capable of the metagnosis and is half Dunyain. The half bloods seem to have much more strength than humans considering Kelmomas' acrobatics and overpowering of grown men (he did surprise them but still he's like 5). Considering it tires her out so, and considering Kellhus is not excused from bodily worries, you'd imagine he'd be tired from his long trek from Dagliash to Momemn. I mean, come on guys it's not like he's a god or anything hahaha
Serwa is the only other person in Earwa capable of the metagnosis and is half Dunyain. The half bloods seem to have much more strength than humans considering Kelmomas' acrobatics and overpowering of grown men (he did surprise them but still he's like 5). Considering it tires her out so, and considering Kellhus is not excused from bodily worries, you'd imagine he'd be tired from his long trek from Dagliash to Momemn. I mean, come on guys it's not like he's a god or anything hahaha
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Why did he return?
« on: September 10, 2016, 12:49:21 pm »Kellhus has been physically exhausted and mentally bordering on despondent multiple times in the first trilogy. I have no difficulty believing some tasks are arduous for him now as well. Super-human doesn't mean omnipotent.I agree 100%. Teleportation takes a huge toll on the body/mind. Serwe could only teleport 2x a day. Kellhus would have had to do it several times a day to get ~2000 (or is it ~3000?) miles back to Momemn. And Kellhus is getting older. He is superhuman but he also needs food, water, rest.
On the topic of his emotions, I'm leaning towards the idea that he bummed Proyas out of his own desire rather than as part of his plan. He definitely considered the consequences of it and decided it wouldn't be harmful to Proyas' conditioning and so Kelly could get all up in his "most beautiful servant".
It was clever of Bakker when he revealed that Kellhus went mad on the Circumfix, and that he's being afflicted by the meat. How much does it affect his judgement, his emotions? Makes him more unpredictable.
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