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but the Aƶrsi passages from Kellhus's POV are clear about prepping Proyas for something.
Apart from the rape, which Kelly seemed to derive at least some pleasure from. Sure it would have served some purpose, but I feel like his own desire was more of a driving force of the rape.

My reasoning is really just how it reads. Prosha has his head on Kelly's lap and Kelly thinks of him as his most beautiful servant, then he savours the feeling as he slides his willy over Proyas' buttocks. Then he took Proyas "like he'd never been taken before" or something (I can't remember it's the last sentence of the scene though).

To me it seems more desire driven than logos driven. Would be good news if it was a more benign act. As it is it's pretty scary. Reminiscent of the Inchy. Could it be related to his time spent with demons? More probably the meat.

I went on a bit of a tangent but I agree with everything you've said Monkhound.

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I think Kellhus was conditioning both Proyas and Saubon to be leaders in his absence. One of them was likely to die at Dagliash, but could not know for sure who would remain. He needed two strong options. That's what I think...
Not to be contrary but I think Proyas was always the one chose to lead and Saubon was told only to support Proyas and get him through him crisis. Sevral times in Kellhus' pov he refers to Prosha as the first of his believer kings, his most beautiful follower and such. He said Proyas was the first human soul he had devoted his Full attention to in years. Kellhus even told Saubon that Proyas would need help to get through his turmoil.

Through all of this Saubon has taken the news far easier, so I wonder what choices will have to be made that Proyas can make that Saubon couldn't.

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Literature / Re: Steven Erikson (The 3.5 million word journey?)
« on: August 02, 2016, 11:24:04 am »

1) Warrens- literally the domain of the each God. And sorcerer's use them for their magic, it's actually a physical place also.

2) Gods, well are just that, the Gods. Though all used to be alive at one point or another, IIRC. And, they are not human, rather Tiste, Jaghut or other races.

3) Ascendents- these are humans who ascend to God Good or take on a specific role for one of the Gods.

My memory is hazy, but that's the gist of it. As you go along in the series it all comes together.
Ascendants are beings who ascended almost to godhood (powerful, ageless). There are many ways to become an ascendant but none of them are easy.
To be a god you must be worshipped. Gods have access to more power than ascendants.
There is no racial limit to ascendancy or godhood; a human can be either as can any other sentient race

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Hm. I think I get it now. Salvation and damnation are identical. Not just in the Outside, but in the real world. Dunyain or the God vs. the Consult? What's the difference? They both hollow people out and turn them into instruments of their own uses. Shaeonanra's hosts and the whale-mothers. A lot more to compare there than to contrast.
Sorry? Unless I misunderstand you, you're saying Kellhus is good? The Dunyain are damned t'fuck. Kellhus is described as doom incarnate. Them and the Consult aren't opposite sides of the good evil spectrum. They're both definitely on the "evil" side.

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General Misc. / Re: The Grim Tidings Podcast
« on: June 21, 2016, 02:44:12 am »
I hadn't, that's a good collection I've only read a handful of them, ta  ;)

Joe was very good, could not stop laughing at the part on swearing in LotR  ;D

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General Misc. / Re: The Grim Tidings Podcast
« on: June 20, 2016, 09:45:44 pm »
Erikson's a very interesting fella. Wish authors did more of these podcasts but I suppose they'd run out of interesting things to say after a while.

Hyped for Bakkercast, I've searched for interviews and such before but actual audio/video is rare enough. Gonna listen to Joe's now.

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General Earwa / Re: History of Earwa from Wert
« on: June 20, 2016, 03:51:43 am »
Monster of an entry. Fantastic stuff  :D

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: The Consult and the Sranc
« on: June 19, 2016, 01:10:56 am »
As for Caraskand, someone mentioned in another thread that that battle was a mirror to a battle in the Crusades. And I don't think we get numbers for how many Fanim troops are there. Do we?
Kascamandri breaks down the composition and numbers of his troops when we first see him right before he reaches Caraskand, I do believe. Haven't the book handy but I do believe the numbers were, if not even, in Kian's favour.

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General Earwa / Re: History of Earwa from Wert
« on: June 18, 2016, 05:27:30 pm »
Cheers Madness. Yeah got it from Achamian :D

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General Earwa / Re: Earwa human mataphor ramblings : uberspoiler
« on: June 18, 2016, 05:27:21 am »
Very interesting connections mate.

Non-men : innate thoughts, more powerful and beautiful than normal thoughts.  Nearly immortal without needing to reproduce.
Perhaps the thoughts of a child? Most of them killed off as the child matures, and only a few hang around during adulthood... Pop up every now and then and use
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Magic (School) : a person's false belief that they have altered parts of themselves, control the inner world
to bring themselves more inline with their inner child's view of the adult.

Somewhere in my line of thinking is an explanation for the Erratics and their madness, can't quite articulate it at the moment. I'm sure you get me. :P Most likely I'm talking absolute ring tho ;D


Where do Gnostic, Anagogic Daimotic and Aporos schools of magic fall into your theory do yo think?

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General Earwa / Re: History of Earwa from Wert
« on: June 18, 2016, 05:00:19 am »
I don't recall ever hearing anything about the Shiradi Empire. That the Xiuhianni invaded them and had the strength to raze their capital and wage war is pretty damn interesting. Not hugely relevant tbh but still. Love learning crap about Eanna and the Xiuhanni.    ;D

There wasn't much mention of the Sranc in Part II. Surely they had a not-insignificant impact on the growth and fall of these empires? Perhaps have unified the peoples of the north against a common threat.

I found it odd where the tribes ended up. I was wondering if they decided among themselves who would go where, but I suppose they split up hunting the Mansions and just settled the fertile lands near them. But how did they know where to find the mansions? Did they wander around searching for them? Unlikely, else they wouldn't have settled in such defined areas imo, plus the Nonmen could have hidden their mansions as they did Golgotterath. I'd say the Inchoroi told them where the mansions were... Perhaps Husyelt told Angeshrael, or, most likely, the Tusk told them were to go.

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