Heramari Iyokus

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« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2013, 01:09:33 pm »
It seems possible that the Cishaurim do see them but allow them to pass. 

+1, Trisk. Common' you're supposed to be my partner in crime in moments like this. Clearly, Moenghus wants all people (but especially a Gnostic Sorcerer) to join his son in Caraskand.
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« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2014, 11:43:55 pm »
Trying to find a sorcery thread in a subforum i can talk about everything.

for sorcery we know meaning is everything. and to keep purity of meaning they use a dead nonman languge (nilguynic or something).

during TWP when Kellhus is building up the awe Akka feels for him he proves there is more basic logic in language (i think i hope i'm right) something about relations between whole sentences rather than subjects and predicates.

So obviously Kellhus understands language and it's structure as well/better as any person alive, why couldn't he create his own language for cants using his advanced knowledge of language that allows even more purity of recitation. Akka has already said that other schools use other languages.

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« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2014, 11:48:34 pm »
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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2014, 12:57:12 am »

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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2014, 04:50:26 am »
Not sure if the idea has already been floated, but what if Iyokus has been dunyain all along?  I don't know if I can trust anything from the text that the dunyain have truly been in isolation for the last 2000 years, for all we know that's just the story that fits Kellhus' conditioning.  I feel like someone is going to be revealed as another dunyain in UC, but I was banking on the last surviving, insane scalper or Meppa.

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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2014, 12:33:05 pm »
I feel like someone is going to be revealed as another dunyain in UC, but I was banking on the last surviving, insane scalper or Meppa.

I believe in the past we've submitted historical characters, maybe. Inri Sejenus comes onto the scene only decades (?) after the Apocalypse and the founding of the Dunyain.

Saccarees has also been submitted.

But I think most likely is that Achamian and Mimara will meet a survivor...

Or alternatively, the Scooby Doo ending.
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2014, 05:29:58 pm »
I think its possible that the Dunyain have been sending out agents to tailor the evolution of the world. Similar to Moenghus, once they are sent out they are never to return... Maybe this is something that they do with some of the failed student ever few centuries.
Though I made a model that  seems to indicate a relatively small population can maintain genetic diversity with extreme breeding controls, perhaps they send out dunyain to bring back some viable breeding women to keep things fresh.

I don't think that Iyokus is a Dunyain though. He's just not strong enough, imo.
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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2014, 10:46:44 pm »
I don't think that Iyokus is a Dunyain though. He's just not strong enough, imo.

You almost certainly right, but I can't help but think that the dunyain would find that kind of estimation a useful cloak.  I don't think he could be dunyain unless there are really several out and about.

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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2014, 01:13:59 pm »
I don't think that Iyokus is a Dunyain though. He's just not strong enough, imo.

You almost certainly right, but I can't help but think that the dunyain would find that kind of estimation a useful cloak.

If that's true, you can argue Saccarees as Dunyain (which is where the Grandmaster seems to be at the end of WLW) because I actually don't see the use in being ostracized by your community of peers.
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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2014, 05:55:41 pm »
I wonder if Sacarees is only temporarily ostracized, has to sit in the corner and wear the dunce hat for a couple of days.  It would be neat if Kellhus new something about the Nilnameshi school that required their destruction at whatever the cost to the Mandate.  Unlikely but could be neat.