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The Great Ordeal / Re: Kellhus's Visions
« on: September 30, 2016, 10:05:32 am »
Good catch with the quote, MSJ. I think the correlation between the tree behind him and Onkis's head/tree/pole aspect is too strong for it to be anyone or anything else. Bakker was also as explicit as he could realistically be that the figure is Kellhus (he has his face).

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Whale Mothers
« on: September 30, 2016, 09:59:26 am »
Meh. People can down vote me as much as they like, but it doesn't make me any less FUCKING AWESOME.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers]Kellhus, savior or not?
« on: September 27, 2016, 02:13:27 pm »
^^ Yes.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] The DREAMS
« on: September 23, 2016, 07:19:33 am »
I got the impression that "salvation" was just when the god you worshipped just treats you marginally less shittily than the "damned" ones.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: Proyas and the No-God
« on: September 22, 2016, 05:50:55 am »
I will take the praise, both for this and any time anyone else suggested it before me.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Mimara
« on: September 20, 2016, 06:30:33 pm »
Yea, I agree. I like H's idea that Mimara will answer the No-God's questions through the JE, this undoing it. Pretty badass.
I hadn't even considered this. Nice one, H!

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The Great Ordeal / Re: Proyas and the No-God
« on: September 20, 2016, 06:01:05 am »
This was what I gathered from the whole Kelly - Proyas tutoring. However I'm hesitant to believe it. Mostly because I want Kellhus to be good, but also because it sort of betrays Kellhus' later actions; running home to salvage what he can as soon as the ordeal is safe from the horde. Unless the outside can somehow be shut without the specified number of souls.
Despite my desires to the contrary, I think Kellhus has a devious plan concerning the no god that Proyas will somehow enact with his newfound knowledge or... Something. There are so many variables that couldn't be accounted for, like the nuke.

Cuts and cuts and cuts

Slight addendum sorry am drunk
I think he has figured out how to do it without the reduction in souls... But he still needs Mog to achieve it somehow. So he needs rid of the Consult to get his hands on it.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO Spoilers) Son of the Survivor
« on: September 20, 2016, 05:57:55 am »
I think it's definitely both aspects. But, not sure it's been bred out to the extent that an infant would retain no emotions at all.

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The Great Ordeal / Proyas and the No-God
« on: September 18, 2016, 05:35:36 pm »
Just started a re-read of TGO and trying to fathom Kellhus' motives with his re-working of Proyas throughout the book (the head on a pole still makes no more sense to me than before).

Kellhus needs to retrain Proyas' faith in order for him to do something that he would otherwise never do. First, he de-humanises the God (It rather than He) and then "villainises" the God (our damnation is the God's harvest). He also completely breaks Proyas down by admitting that he (Kellhus) is a fraud and everything Akka said he was.

Why? Why does he do this?

He does not need to re-program Proyas if his only goal is the destruction of Golgotterath and the Consult. Proyas would already be more than happy to do this. What does he need from  him that a) Proyas would otherwise never have done, and b) serves Kellhus' ultimate aim (whatever that is), perhaps in his absence?

So, I think Proyas will be the one to "release" or at least allow the release of the NG. What else could it be?

Kellhus needs the NG to close off the outside (I also believe either he or Kayutas, probably the latter due to the symmetries with Nau-Cayuti, will become the NG). Proyas will act to bring it about. I can't think of any other task that would be so anathema to Proyas and require him to be broken down so severely.


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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Why did he return?
« on: September 11, 2016, 05:13:32 pm »
That's not quite right, though. He couldn't insta-jump straight back to Momemn in TJE, it took numerous trips.

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General Earwa / Re: Traitor of men
« on: September 11, 2016, 07:26:16 am »
There are some continuity snag around this.  In the TTT glossary it says that Mek revealed the location of Min-Uroikas to the Mangaecca in 777, but some of the things in The False Sun seem to run contrary to that. The Mangaecca only entered the Ark super recently because of Shae, so only 1115 or whenever, a few years before The False Sun.

But to the point, Cet'ingira is hated because he stole the Heron Spear from Ishterebinth ~750 Year of the Tusk. He's sorta been a rogue agent that the Mangeccas were harboring. I'm also sure that Nil'giccas wanted him brought to justice.

The one thing I absolutely hate about The False Sun is that they call Aurang, Aurang. Aurang is the epithet the Kuniuri gave him!—which is not a kingdom/language that will exist for many centuries. Surely they would call him Sin-Pharion, or the Umeri would have some other name for him.
Actually, one point. The snag you mention at the top is perhaps not as bad as it first seems. It is mentioned that the Mangaecca have been trying to get into the Ark for over 200 years, so the gap between 777 to 1115 is actually not so strange. Though perhaps it should be closer to 330.

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General Earwa / Re: Traitor of men
« on: September 11, 2016, 07:21:52 am »
Excellent info, thanks H/P! I always hate finding timeline issues in books - I'm not the most obsessive person in the world, but it hurts!

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Why did he return?
« on: September 10, 2016, 01:40:30 pm »
But he also teleported back from the Ordeal at the end of this book (which was much further away) , and had enough energy to do everything he did.

Also, why would Serwa's limitations be any indication at all of Kellhus'?

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General Earwa / Traitor of men
« on: September 10, 2016, 12:31:12 pm »
Ok, hoepfully someone can clear this up for me.

Why is Cet'ingira / Mekeritrig known as... well, Mekeritrig (traitor of men / man-traitor)?

I thought it was because of his role in the Consult and FA... however, I'm currently re-reading The False Sun and I note that even here, Cet'ingira is reviled by Titirga and the Umeri. Something like 3/4 of the way through, we have this passage:

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Six days Cet'ingira, the most-famed of the Siqu, the Most-feared-and-hated, stands upon the High Threshold, the arcane bass of his voice climbing from the pores of all that could be seen, his arms outstretched, a myriad of Mathesis Pins drawn into a circle of etc.

And it is also stated that even when Nogaral was first built, some 200 years before TFS takes place, the Sohonc hated it because they could see Cet'ingira's hand in its design.

So why was he so hated prior to the Consult even being a thing? Was it well known that he wanted to enter the Ark and awaken (or whatever) A&A? I honestly don't know / can't remember.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Kellhus/Bakker
« on: September 09, 2016, 07:10:11 pm »
Yeah, the TV rights (post above should have said "selling" not "along", autocorrect fail). Could have sworn he's been down this path before and it fell through. Might be confusing it with some other series, though. Rights get sold all the time and usually nothing happens.

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