And after that I have to read "Carthage must be destroyed" by Richard Miles.
The chapter ends with socrates saying all people of wealth and power are just people because the gods are just and would never bless an unjust person. Therefore someones wealth and power is proof that they are inherently good.Like all trolls, they ultimately are ferverent supporters of the status quo.
best way to do this thread is really everyone get a goodreads account. there, i started: http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/5610133-sologdin (http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/5610133-sologdin).
I have read a few samples from Sapkowski's books, because I like the setting of the world in the computer game. But I wasn't very impressed by the writing and gave it up. I think, the story has potential. The world, characters and story are somehow gritty and unique, but also kind of generic and boring.
Welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Morrigan.
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Soterion prompted these first few choices based on reading I did in our New Wave SF (http://second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=766.15) thread.
In Defense of Fantasy - Ann Swinfen
Fantasy: The Literature of Subversion - Rosemary Jackson
Metamorphoses of Science Fiction - Darko Suvin
Hey Madness,
I actually am Soterion. For some reason, the forum couldn't locate my previous username. But I figured it's a new forum, so it might be time for a name change anyway.
Carl Freedman titled Critical Theory and Science Fiction. I've only read about 30 pages, but so far it's really good. More of a historicist approach concerned with analyzing SF's relationship to genre and the literary canon.
Olympos by Dan Simmons. Good shit.Currently reading Hyperion, so for its pretty great.
Blinding Knife by Brent Weeks which was so much better than the first volume, I can't even... Not necassarily classic but a very enjoyable read.
I can't read educational and/or scientific stuff in my free time, i have enough of those in my line of work (at least from the field of mathematics).
QuoteBlinding Knife by Brent Weeks which was so much better than the first volume, I can't even... Not necassarily classic but a very enjoyable read.
I read "the night angel" series awhile ago and was not very impressed.Is this series worth picking up?
QuoteI can't read educational and/or scientific stuff in my free time, i have enough of those in my line of work (at least from the field of mathematics).
Not all of us have intellectually challenging careers yet,so you should be happy you don`t have to :)
QuoteI can't read educational and/or scientific stuff in my free time, i have enough of those in my line of work (at least from the field of mathematics).
Not all of us have intellectually challenging careers yet,so you should be happy you don`t have to :)
Never seen it that way... ;D
But i still feel kind of lazy that i never "challenge" myself with something a bit more....real....in my freetime...as you guys seem to do on a regular basis.
I also enjoy going down the rabbit hole with speculative authors such as Graham Hancock and Zecharia Sitchin (while keeping my bucket of salt nearby for hearty pinches, or even scoops, as needed).
Let my brain rot.
I have finished Toll the Hounds and am now reading Dust of Dreams.
I also enjoy going down the rabbit hole with speculative authors such as Graham Hancock and Zecharia Sitchin (while keeping my bucket of salt nearby for hearty pinches, or even scoops, as needed).
Lol,I am also guilty of reading these speculative but interesting authors :D Have you read Hancocks novels?,have been wondering if I should read them or not.
Lmao - oh, you guys. You're all over my teenage love of conspiracy and mystery right now (Sitchin requires a Sorcerer's weight in salt). Read Hancock, Royce. Then read Robert Bauval. And, of course, von Daniken to round it out.
I have finished Toll the Hounds and am now reading Dust of Dreams.
How has that slog been, Meyna?
QuoteI also enjoy going down the rabbit hole with speculative authors such as Graham Hancock and Zecharia Sitchin (while keeping my bucket of salt nearby for hearty pinches, or even scoops, as needed).
Lol,I am also guilty of reading these speculative but interesting authors :D Have you read Hancocks novels?,have been wondering if I should read them or not.
Tsarion is right there with Sheldrake
Definitely read some (if you have a friend that can lend you the books, even better, so you don't have to buy them). I personally preferred Fingerprints of the Gods and Underworld, but I guess it depends on your particular taste for conspiracy.
How'd you like Ramachandran, Royce?
QuoteHow'd you like Ramachandran, Royce?
I love that guy :) His curiosity, smartness, and humble techniques were simply amazing. The fact that I can understand what he is talking about(not a neuroscientist) says something about his skills as a writer as well. I am actually re- reading it now :). Had many "Neuropath is actually not fiction" moments, which is kind of disturbing.
He has propelled himself into my top 20 favorite people of all time :)
Started on Gardens of the moon, by Steven Erikson. Wish me luck on the slog of slogs :)Good luck!
The only slog rule is to go on until you have finished #2, Deadhouse Gates.
GotM is much weaker.
About to start on The Illuminatus! trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
Lol - have fun with the red pill down the rabbit hole :).
I am literally stuck on the slog. I am in the middle of Deadhouse Gates, and I need a break. This is worldbuilding running amok. Might pick it up again later on. Although it is definitely worth reading, I feel something is missing, but I don`t know exactly what.
About to finish "The brotherhood of the screaming abyss" by Dennis Mckenna. Also started on "The curse of Chalion" by Lois Mcmaster Bujold.
It was kind of jarring when I read Deadhouse Gates and realized that there were only new plot-lines being introduced and that none of the lines started in Gardens of the Moon were even going to be mentioned. All I can say is get used to that ;D
I started re-read #3 of TSA, currently about 1/3 of the way through TDTCB, but after I finish the first book I might segue into something else (maybe this?).
I'd say that after book 4 you've met 90% of the major players. Though, as Madness can tell you, book 5 drops you blind into new territory once again. Things start converging after that.
I haven't started that particular series yet, so forgive my ignorance, but is it finished
I started re-read #3 of TSA, currently about 1/3 of the way through TDTCB, but after I finish the first book I might segue into something else (maybe this?).
First things first... TWP.
I started re-read #3 of TSA, currently about 1/3 of the way through TDTCB, but after I finish the first book I might segue into something else (maybe this?).
First things first... TWP.
I haven't started that particular series yet, so forgive my ignorance, but is it finished... or does it have some semblance of an end? You said after book 5 it starts converging, so does that mean it takes another 5 to close everything up or rather that some stories are simply never finished?
I started re-read #3 of TSA, currently about 1/3 of the way through TDTCB, but after I finish the first book I might segue into something else (maybe this?).
Well I'm intrigued more than dissuaded by that response. Thanks Meyna :)
Finished Chapter 1, Socrates 'wins' because of a deus ex machina appeal to authority that is completely dependent on a Just World Fallacy?
Considering the whole bit was about Justice, now I know another reason why it's called the Just World Fallacy.
It continues for 2 or 3 posts after that if you follow the link.Quote from: dietlQuote from: mikethegrouchHopefully something dark, gritty, epic, and well-written.
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Stephen Donaldson - The Gap Cycle
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I recently got a bookshelf... and its somewhat empty. Maybe I'll just buy cheap used copies of the titles listed on this bored and just see if I ever get through them all :P.
Better a bookshelf with books left unread than a bookshelf with empty spaces.
LMAO! Road trip with Wilshire?! Come pick me (and my books up) in two weeks and you can drop me off in South Western Ontario on your way back ;).
I give my spare books to a local pub/cafe that caters to s-f/fantasy/gaming fans. They have loads of s-f and fantasy books and magazines on the shelves, maps of Middle Earth, Warhammer world and Westeros on the walls, that kind of stuff.
You guys should really just set up a secret library somewhere (preferably away from any warring factions of Gnosis wielding maniacs) and send your extra books there :PThen neither of us would have the books lol.
You guys should really just set up a secret library somewhere (preferably away from any warring factions of Gnosis wielding maniacs) and send your extra books there :P
I give my spare books to a local pub/cafe that caters to s-f/fantasy/gaming fans. They have loads of s-f and fantasy books and magazines on the shelves, maps of Middle Earth, Warhammer world and Westeros on the walls, that kind of stuff.
LMAO! Road trip with Wilshire?! Come pick me (and my books up) in two weeks and you can drop me off in South Western Ontario on your way back ;).
Well if you are state-side sometime let me know
You guys should really just set up a secret library somewhere (preferably away from any warring factions of Gnosis wielding maniacs) and send your extra books there :PThen neither of us would have the books lol.
But a TSA forum member stocked library would be entertaining.
I give my spare books to a local pub/cafe that caters to s-f/fantasy/gaming fans. They have loads of s-f and fantasy books and magazines on the shelves, maps of Middle Earth, Warhammer world and Westeros on the walls, that kind of stuff.
Amazing
I give my spare books to a local pub/cafe that caters to s-f/fantasy/gaming fans. They have loads of s-f and fantasy books and magazines on the shelves, maps of Middle Earth, Warhammer world and Westeros on the walls, that kind of stuff.
Amazing
No wonder that it's the place where I meet my nerdy friends almost every Thursday evening. Not to mention that they also have a great range of original beers from small breweries.
Madness - I have, like, 40 big thrash bags of books on my shelves (that was 2 years ago, when we decided to have our walls painted and had to take the books off the shelves and put them into bags). But for example, when I got married, it turned out I have similar literary taste to my husband (well, no wonder), so we had a lot of duplicates. And these we took to the pub.
Microbrews as well?! Thats really not even fair. I've never even heard of a place that is anything close to that.
Well, there is a Mana Bar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mana_Bar) in town but that's for Gamer kids imo.
What the fuck, Canada... That's it. I'm opening something like this... a boozy coffee shop with lots of book shelves and board games. It's going on the To-Do List. If I have it my way, there will a smoking patio ;).
Just finished the Fall of Hyperion.
Spoiler free review: Really satisfyingly complex and interwoven ending with a few nice mysteries left. Not as well structured as Hyperion and an odd change in Pov characters. Completes the series as a whole even though I know there is the Endymion duology all major plot points are pretty much resolved if this duology were the only.
Now onto either Patrick Rothfuss The Name of The Wind which I bought today or Adrian Tchaikovsky Heirs of the Blade continuation read.
Now i'm going to read something scary - keeping with the flavour of the month. World War Z and War of the Worlds are the forerunners at the moment.
Picked up Half a War today. The type is so huge I fear this will be a very short read.
Just finished Half a War last night by Abercrombie. Great twist to the end of the book, usual JA fashion. I've been on my TSA reread for over a month, just digging in here and there, taking my time. I think I'll finish up this Shattered Sea Trilogy, since its really good and he's just so enjoyable to read, love his humor. Then, I'll try and give Tigana by Kavriel another go.
The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemisin should be arriving today. I'm going to try to read it as quick as I can and let you guys know what I think.Going to buy on kindle right this moment if its possible. Loved the first book.
The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemisin should be arriving today. I'm going to try to read it as quick as I can and let you guys know what I think.Going to buy on kindle right this moment if its possible. Loved the first book.
ETA:Got it. $9.99.
The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemisin should be arriving today. I'm going to try to read it as quick as I can and let you guys know what I think.Going to buy on kindle right this moment if its possible. Loved the first book.
ETA:Got it. $9.99.
Did you finish yet? I did just yesterday.
Nope. I'm going to start it tonight. I was on a different book at that moment. Im so ready to dive in though.
Nope. I'm going to start it tonight. I was on a different book at that moment. Im so ready to dive in though.
OK, made a thread here for the whole series with spoilers, so avoid it until you are done.
Has somebody read the Gormenghast series by Mervyn Peake?
Has somebody read the Gormenghast series by Mervyn Peake?
I listened to the first one. I think I missed a few things, but I thought it was pretty good.
Will be starting Malazan(Gardens of the Moon) once I'm on my way to New Orleans.
Will be starting Malazan(Gardens of the Moon) once I'm on my way to New Orleans.IMO, nothing is better than Malazan except TSA.
Will be starting Malazan(Gardens of the Moon) once I'm on my way to New Orleans.
Second, New Orleans does not seem like an ideal place to be for the next few days considering the storm's current track.
I'd most likely have to leave earlier than anticipated though.
TBH, that may be what I'll end up doing. :( I really wanted to go to the afterparty, but the show ends at like 11 and party is AFTER that. Maybe 30 min tops.
Well, by what I am seeing from most storm tracks, I think as long as you get out before, say, late afternoon tomorrow you should be fine.
Well, by what I am seeing from most storm tracks, I think as long as you get out before, say, late afternoon tomorrow you should be fine.
Oh yea. Looks like it. I was planning on leaving earlier than that. :)
Started Gardens of the Moon. Very interesting and it looks like the author makes it very clear to NOT get attached with characters. Yikes.
Didn't you read Deadhouse Gates? You should know that by personal experience ;) .Started Gardens of the Moon. Very interesting and it looks like the author makes it very clear to NOT get attached with characters. Yikes.
I saw an internet-meme on the Malazan facebook group the other day (avoid for sake of spoilers) regarding Erikson putting Martin to shame in the character-killing category.
Has anyone else read "Heroes Die"? Because Bayrne [sorry if I misspelled it, I listened to it and google fails me] is an amazing man who knows what life is all about. He wants to do everything there is and enjoy every fragment of existence. He's probably my favorite villain behind the Inchoroi!
Quote from: Hands of YawgmothHas anyone else read "Heroes Die"? Because Bayrne [sorry if I misspelled it, I listened to it and google fails me] is an amazing man who knows what life is all about. He wants to do everything there is and enjoy every fragment of existence. He's probably my favorite villain behind the Inchoroi!
He's a great villain. Its been a few years since I read that series, but he gets even better in the second book, if you could believe it. That's a great series, until the 3rd or 4th book, I can't remember, but it started to get a forced in my opinion.
35% complete with Gardens of the Moon. I really like it. Picks up big time in Darujistahn. :DEnjoyed the series, if it did go on a bit. Lots of love/hate for it around here :) .
Over 40% done with Gardens of the Moon. Here are my reaction posts: https://divinesong.tumblr.com/tagged/Malazan
Well, I'm still interested, but I'm going a bit slower now. Can't wait for the "pay off" in Darujhistan.
Toll the HoundsThough most of the books are great in their own right, Book 8, Toll the Hounds, was probably the best in the series. He really nailed it with that, coupled with plenty of big reveals to make the preceding 7 novels entirely worth the journey. Each book has its goods and bads, but every book uses the first half as build up - if you stop before the end of any book, you'll have done yourself a disservice imo (partly because half a Malazan book is at least 1-2 books of normal size lol)
Well, I'm still interested, but I'm going a bit slower now. Can't wait for the "pay off" in Darujhistan.Weird. I remember GotM being pretty fast paced. Anyway, Deadhouse Gates is the real deal. Just wait for it. :( :( :'( :'( ( Emojis are relevant. ) .
Dora Bed, when you're done I highly recommend ICE's new trilogy, starti g with Dancer's Lament. Which tells how the Malazn Empire came into being and how Shadowthrone and Cotillion met. The 1st book was great and I was never a huge fan of ICE. But, his writing is so much better in this series than anything else I've read of his. I loved the 1st book as much or more than any of his Malazan books. Who h there was I few I really enjoyed, but others I read just because I rarely quit on a book. Look into them after your done.MSJ's autocorrection strikes back.
MSJ's autocorrection strikes back.
Speaking of Malazan. I'm 82 % complete with Gardens of the Moon. Paran reminds me of Proyas, except the latter is more potent a character, imo.
Don't say bullshit and Malazan in the same sentence again, Tao :PSpeaking of Malazan. I'm 82 % complete with Gardens of the Moon. Paran reminds me of Proyas, except the latter is more potent a character, imo.
Any good or is it bullshit?
Don't say bullshit and Malazan in the same sentence again, Tao :PSpeaking of Malazan. I'm 82 % complete with Gardens of the Moon. Paran reminds me of Proyas, except the latter is more potent a character, imo.
Any good or is it bullshit?
Any good or is it bullshit?
Well, I personally like it as it's very interesting, but I think it takes patience to read it.
GotM has a different feel than the rest of Malazan. I believe it was originally written to be a movie, don't quote me on that, but I believe I heard that before.
Finished Gardens of the Moon and will now be moving on to the Deadhouse Gates.
Here are my Tumblr reactions:
https://divinesong.tumblr.com/tagged/gardens-of-the-moon
One thing I like in my fantasy is magic, and a food plausible system that make sense. This has that. I'm it one of those GoT is low magic and adult Fantasy. What? Its got so much magic its funny to hear people say that. If you don't want magic read Non-fiction or romance or some other genre. Magic is a essential staple of fantasy. Good Magic=Good Fantasy.100%. I feel exactly the same way.
100%. I feel exactly the same way.
I'm going to start taking your fantasy suggestions more seriously now :).
Deadhouse Gates Reaction: https://divinesong.tumblr.com/post/169602562768/malazan-deadhouse-gatesOh man, that book.... :'(
Still at 30%
Deadhouse Gates 59%: https://divinesong.tumblr.com/post/170318664043/malazan-deadhouse-gates
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Disagree. TTH wasn't THAT much better than the rest, which IMO, are better than what you think. You can't say that Bonehunters or Midnight Tides weren't amazing. Reaper's Gale and House of Chains are debatable ( I personally liked them, especially the former. ) but TBH and MT were just masterpieces.Quote from: Dora VeeDeadhouse Gates 59%: https://divinesong.tumblr.com/post/170318664043/malazan-deadhouse-gates
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Loved Deadhouse Gates. A great follow up to Memories of Ice. Totally, agree with Wilshire. I liked all. Of the Malazan books. And, its because they are all set up the same. A bunch of info and set up the first 75% then the rest of the book is a great, wild ride.
One book I really loved, and a lot of people seem to think it a weaker book of the series is House of Chains. Karsa Orlong is introduced, the Tiste Edur are fascinating to me, and even more so after reading Erikson's 1st two books of the Tisste Andii origin story, or for that matter all the Tiste. You see why the Edur are the way the are, for very good reason.
I'll tell you, when you read Toll the Hounds, it makes all that prior reading so worth it. One huge difference between Bakker and Erickson, you get answers. Not all the answers, which I wouldn't like anyway, but you get some huge reveals. Its very satisfying. Keep slogging Dora Vee.
Redeagl, I won't disagree. That wasn't my point, though. I just the TTH was a great book in terms of convergence and reveals. Its the payoff for the first 7-8? books. There wasn't a Malazan book I've read and didn't like. Even his follow up series (shame the last book seems to be shelved. :( )Ah. Looks like I just misunderstood your comment, MSJ.
Ah. Looks like I just misunderstood your comment, MSJ.
Been reading Jim Butcher's Cursor's Fury. 3rd book in the series. This one is better than the 2nd, and has potential to be as good or better than the first. Interesting magic system, great characters, plot and prose.
Do you like Butcher? I see his name a lot for some reason, never picked up anything by him though.
Good to know.
One of the interesting consequences of only reading one book per author is that I haven't encountered the problem of formulaic writing in a long time. At least not for a single author, as obviously genre tropes are a thing.
A lot of people around here really enjoyed Blindsight. I think I give it a try. BFK, ive never gotten back to the 2nd book of Three Body Problem. I started it, but the first chapter was really.....weird? I dunno, need to push through it.Well, TBP just gets weirder and weirder, imho. But I recommend continuing, if only to get to the "dark forest" strategy. It's a cool scene that finds Da Shi as the pupil getting schooled. I love Da Shi, also, and he appears frequently in "Dark Forest".
Read through some of "Blindsight" by Peter Watts over the weekend. Not my cuppa tea: Neuroscience Victorious. But it's well-executed modern SF. Good plot; interesting First-Contact premise.I knew that would bother you. Have you rejected it entirely or will you finish it? Blindsight is one of my favorite books but Echopraxia (the sequel) is even crazier, even going into faith-based science territory.
Reread "Perelandra" by C. S. Lewis tonight as, I suppose, a corrective. Modern science......it really does me in. Makes me glad I turn 60 this year.
I'll return to "The Worm Ouroboros" soon. I'm accustomed to the archaic, Elizabethan style now. Absolutely no science....
Thanks for asking, Tleilaxu!Read through some of "Blindsight" by Peter Watts over the weekend. Not my cuppa tea: Neuroscience Victorious. But it's well-executed modern SF. Good plot; interesting First-Contact premise.I knew that would bother you. Have you rejected it entirely or will you finish it? Blindsight is one of my favorite books but Echopraxia (the sequel) is even crazier, even going into faith-based science territory.
Reread "Perelandra" by C. S. Lewis tonight as, I suppose, a corrective. Modern science......it really does me in. Makes me glad I turn 60 this year.
I'll return to "The Worm Ouroboros" soon. I'm accustomed to the archaic, Elizabethan style now. Absolutely no science....
The Reality Dysfunction by Peter F HamiltonAre they better than Bakker's sex scenes?
Wow. This is a great book so far. Strong scifi/space-opera with (probably) overly technical explanations of this and that super tech (which I appreciate), well imagined futuristic space-faring civilization (humans mostly, but some great aliens too), clever technological developments, great pacing with interspersed action and informational sections. Really just great world building and story telling.
The biggest problem with this book is that it feels like there is erotica spliced into it. I mean there's a lot of sex scenes that are highly detailed, and they pop up what seems like every 50ish pages. For a book that's 900+pages ... it starts to add up. Its not as if I skip over it - its done well - its just to a point where I might call it gratuitous.
I know Hamilton has a fair number of books (wiki says 10) and I look forward to getting around to them some day.
The Reality Dysfunction by Peter F Hamilton
Wow. This is a great book so far. Strong scifi/space-opera with (probably) overly technical explanations of this and that super tech (which I appreciate), well imagined futuristic space-faring civilization (humans mostly, but some great aliens too), clever technological developments, great pacing with interspersed action and informational sections. Really just great world building and story telling.
The biggest problem with this book is that it feels like there is erotica spliced into it. I mean there's a lot of sex scenes that are highly detailed, and they pop up what seems like every 50ish pages. For a book that's 900+pages ... it starts to add up. Its not as if I skip over it - its done well - its just to a point where I might call it gratuitous.
I know Hamilton has a fair number of books (wiki says 10) and I look forward to getting around to them some day.
The first three books, for me, where probably the best when considered together.
There were other great books in the series, but those three stick out. The rest of the series becomes very meandering and a lot of story lines don't feel like they go anywhere. GOTM, DG, and MOI have tighert story arcs and there isn't quite so much going on, which to me makes it easier to focus on what's important.
Last few scenes in DG with the chain of dogs & Coltain... Amazing
the first half is all world building and setup, the next quarter stuff starts happening and the fantasy aspects start to come into play, this is also where it starts to get darker. Last quarter its something of a bloodbath and you really see what's going on.
There's definitely a lot of places the series could go, and I hope the writer continues down the path. I think this is her first publication, so hopefully the writing gets better as the story progresses beyond the first book.
ADORE the Grey Swords. The leaders seem like wonderful leaders, especially the Mortal Sword. He actually reminds me of the Kurgan. That is, if the Kurgan wasn't a violent sociopath.
I'm finding American Gods extremely interesting.
Its a nice intersection of history, american folklore, fantasy, mystery, and a discussion about modernity. Great prose, Gaiman is a hell of a writer imo.
Who is the author of Tower of Babel? Is it Adam Elliott? Getting several search results and dont want to grab the wrong one.Quote from: WilshireI'm going to seriously have to go through your post history and see your 'book reviews' (or whatever we can call you're one line recommendations like this one) and see if I can rule them out or not.
Is be the worse reviewer ever. I would spoil the books. I don't know how to go into it without telling it. Here's a few must read series.
The Unhewn Throne (low magic)
Tower of Babel (low magic}
Traitor Son Cycle (high magic)
In that order. Seriously, TUT is full of mystery and intrigue. I'm on book 3 (the last) and I have no clue how this is gonna go. I have no complaints, from character, plot, prose or any other thing someone might bitch about. Just excellent.
I'm still on the Malazan slog; I'm nearly finished with House of Chains now.I just finished a reread of the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Have you read any of the Esslemont books? If so what did you think?
I'm still on the Malazan slog; I'm nearly finished with House of Chains now.I just finished a reread of the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Have you read any of the Esslemont books? If so what did you think?
but he could have stated it in fewer words.
Random question, but are any of the Star Wars books worth reading?
Random question, but are any of the Star Wars books worth reading?
Heir To the Empire (first book of the Thrawn Trilogy) which is not canonical anymore, is far and away the best. Everything else is pretty poorly done and not at all worth the time. The other two in the trilogy are also similarly good, but I would advise reading one and not the rest. Honestly, they are probably better Star Wars stories than any of the actual Star Wars stories.
63% into the Bonehunters. Finally picking up again. Ah, Karsa, so right and so wrong.
Also peaked a bit more into Toll the Hounds...my, that was an oopsie.
Well, I finished up all 39 current volumes of the Berserk manga...
And what do you think?
And what do you think?
I liked it, but it did bother me a bit how "comic" it became at times and how "sprawling" it got near the end.
Just seems like there were more "side quests" than there really needed to be, but I realize the man's gotta eat, you know?
Wait, are you talking about Berserk, or Malazan? ;)
may be there isn't a difference?
Saved me reading a whole 'nother series there. Not really, wasn't going to read it anyway...
There's a huge difference. 1. Malazan (well, the main series) is finished. 2. Berserk is nowhere near so long winded. 3. The God Hand, including Griffith, would be eaten alive by other powers.
There's a huge difference. 1. Malazan (well, the main series) is finished. 2. Berserk is nowhere near so long winded. 3. The God Hand, including Griffith, would be eaten alive by other powers.
I wasn't really being serious. I realize there is a huge difference. I honestly just have no real desire to read Malazan.
Yes all in good fun DV.
Malazan is definitely not a series to read if you're on the fence. Way to long to go through with it, though honestly Gardens of the Moon is worth a shot if you ever had a huge amount of time to invest in a single novel - like if you decide TSA sucks and are looking for something else to do.
Oh, yeah. I didn't realize you had tried GOTM already. Defiantly not worth trying twice imo.
I've got plenty of recs for you if you're running out of books to read though lol
Well, you can try starting Deadhouse Gates. Some people have done that, but it's not a good idea. If you tried to get through GOTM THREE times, then yikes...it's not for you. However, once I got to Memories of Ice, it was all worth it. It's STILL my favorite and I'm 89% in the Bonehunters.
What got me into Malazan was being told that it was the reason Bakker got published. That, and the fact that I was already aware of how the story was being told. Oh, and some spoilers...
Bonehunters finally complete. Now on to Reaper's Gale.On the home stretch!
Finished The Hod King and started Black Leopard, Red Wolf.
Quote from: HFinished The Hod King and started Black Leopard, Red Wolf.
I have a little under 100 pages left of The Hod King. Coincidentally, Black Leopard, Red Wolf is what I'm going to read next. I think the premise is neat. But, from all the reviews I've read, I don't see where it would be anything like ASOIAF, either. Let us know what you think of it, H.
Let us know what you think of it, H.
In fact, I think in it's own ways, it will be less palatable than Bakker for most people.Guess I'll add another book to the list then. Can't pass up something with an endorsement like this.
It took a bit but I really enjoyed The Three-Body Problem.
Really Toll The Hounds. Started strong, but then almost immediately hit a little snag.
Dark Forest broke into my top 10 most enjoyable books so I'd say I liked it a bit!It took a bit but I really enjoyed The Three-Body Problem.
Very glad to hear it, Srancy! Keep reading; "The Dark Forest" is really good, also.
Excellent! I loved the conversation between Da Shi and the protagonist at the end where the protagonist explains dark forest strategy. Chilling and eye-opening.Dark Forest broke into my top 10 most enjoyable books so I'd say I liked it a bit!It took a bit but I really enjoyed The Three-Body Problem.
Very glad to hear it, Srancy! Keep reading; "The Dark Forest" is really good, also.
Gardens of the Moon ( Malazan )
Took me 3 years to read it, just couldn't get into it. Getting it on Audible allowed me to finish it. I'm glad I did, the second half of the book gets much better. I enjoyed it, some very cool characters, some nice twists and turns in the end that I liked.
Not sure I'll read the 2nd book unless someone can tell me if it takes up where the last one ends or if it's a time jump into the future and essentially a different story.
Not that I wouldn't still read it, just too much on my reading list to commit to more at this time.
Anyways, I like R and Abercrombie more, but I would still give it an A, well written and it got fun to read. I'll steal a few ideas for my D&D campaign ( loved the Jaghut Tyrant - I want to be him and using him in my campaign kinda would make me, hee hee! - not sure if I spelled the correctly as I was listening to the book ).