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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Esmenet & Aurang
« on: March 31, 2015, 09:05:13 pm »
Quote from: One of the Conditioned on May 27, 2014, 04:38:46 am
I wonder how advanced the Dunyain project was when they found Ishual?  I don't think we have any info on that--the timeline could go way way back.
As far as I remember, two thousand years ago they've lacked a large part of principles, which made them so determined & effective (Emperical Priority & Rational Priority, Epistemological Principle).

The cold eyes peered through him and saw this was true. “When the Dünyain first found Ishual in these mountains, they knew only one principle of the Logos. What was that principle, young Kellhus?” “That which comes before determines that which comes after.”

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General Earwa / Re: The Womb-Plague (A new theory, perhaps?)
« on: March 21, 2015, 05:53:46 pm »
Quote from: Wilshire on March 20, 2015, 01:53:18 pm
I would tend to agree, but the fact that their Arc crashed into Earwa makes me want to belive that they knew it was the promised land from the start.
Maybe they made a mistake.
Maybe Earwa is a trap for those who try to defy the Outside & Gods.

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General Earwa / Re: The Womb-Plague (A new theory, perhaps?)
« on: March 20, 2015, 11:42:42 am »
Quote from: geoint on March 20, 2015, 07:41:18 am
Kind of unrelated and trivial but do we know what the average lifespan of nonmen was before the womb plague made them all immortal?
As far as I remember, 300-400 years or so.

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Atrocity Tales / Re: The Four Revelations of Cinial'jin
« on: March 19, 2015, 02:32:47 pm »
Quote from: H on March 19, 2015, 02:13:16 pm
I think we have criminally under-looked this story, mainly because it's stream-of-consciousness narrative makes it difficult to follow.
Especially difficult for some non-native english speakers like me. :C
And that's atop of the fact that Bakker's language is quite complex by itself.
Maybe we should map these revelations, structurize them somehow?

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Moenghus the Elder's (Other) Children
« on: March 16, 2015, 06:50:13 pm »
Quote from: Wilshire on May 29, 2013, 03:18:53 pm
Kellhus is somehow defective in a way that makes his children retarded/crazy?
I still never really understood why Esmi was the one that could sire his children, and how Moe could have found someone to bare him a nearly perfect child. Doesn't make much sense to me.
For the first question (and partly the second), there is a chance of genetic abyss existing between Kellhus and his parents/other duniyain/other ppl. Like, an Ishual breeding program finally unfolded, creating someone barely-human. If that's true, Moengus is not so "alien" to humans as his son is and their breeding problems should differ.
For the second question, consience & intellect play a great deal in bakkerverse to a level of determining existence of soul or prerequisite to mess with onta. More specifically, monks at Ishual honed such traits throught eugenic means. So, Esmi's high intelligence can be an indirect indication of her genetic fit to carry some duniyain children alive. That's a sign of common genetic ground (nurtured in Kellhus, natured in Esmi).

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General Earwa / Re: Crazy Ass Speculation Thread
« on: March 16, 2015, 01:49:10 pm »
Quote from: Frod Nonagrm on March 15, 2015, 11:32:18 pm
metaskinspies: these guys have skin spy faces that conceal an even deeper face .... which is a bunny
Aww & lol.

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General Earwa / Re: The Womb-Plague (A new theory, perhaps?)
« on: March 15, 2015, 11:21:27 pm »
As far as I remember, inchoroi healers who tried to saved Cinmoi's wife were sincerely suprised by pandemic events. So it's problem of a "fictional evil race", when even toddlers should be utterly evil, fully aware about some sinister plan and take an active part in it. I doubt such possibilities. Inchoroi, while still being a race of rapist lovers driven by some disturbing revelation, were a too complex culture. One hand bestows longevity over everyone, second hand aims for the guts but rips out the wombs only, third (sic!) are making out with Nin'Janjin, fourth didn't survived the grafting. :з So it's all a complex (and thus more tragic) coincidence.

At the same time I adore your idea about immortality being a mean to cover their inter-species etc gaps.

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General Earwa / Re: Crazy Ass Speculation Thread
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:49:43 pm »
Quote from: The Sharmat on March 12, 2015, 10:14:44 pm
Why would a Skin-Spy do that?
Don't mind me, I`ve catched a cold and am just making chibi-crackpots in the corner.

The nice part of sorcery is a trait that can be called an elegant durability.
But that's not true about Tekne, whose creations are in fact badass cripples.
Post-cunuroi loose their memories, Aurang body suffers from a cancer etc.
So, it's just fine to imagine a broken Skin-Spy gone rogue.

Let's say someday Maëngi, a thing called Sarcellus, becomes too good in impersonating.
It's model of a certain shrial knight is so perfect it "reigns" upon a basic skin-spy urges.
It births a self-concience, it forms a soul, it suffers from D.T.C.M. (skin-spy wrath & lust).
It will do everything a shrial knight would do, from conquering Shimeh to hunting Shaeonanra.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:23:35 pm »
Personally I'm convinced that everything about ascension, reaching absolute, becoming a self-moving souls etc. is inevitably connected with some timey-wimey paradox stuff. So, if Kellhus believes he is speaking with God, it just can be Kellhus-Emperor being conditioned by future Kellhus-God for becoming himself (Emperor -> God). That circumstance makes it impossible to discern a human from a god and thus spares human part of being a subject of morality.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus a student of the Aporos?
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:10:34 pm »
Quote from: Uncle Holy on March 15, 2015, 08:27:00 pm
Let's not forget Mimara's revelation that the Chorae are actually Tears of God...she can see the 'goodness' or 'rightness' of Chorae...that said, is it not possible that the guys that made the chorae were priests/prophets of some kind? How old are the chorae, anyway? what links the God to the Chorae? Sorcery is imperfect reality...no way, sorcerers (gnostic or quya) could have made the Chorae by uttering a few cants or whatever...the mark would be evident and i dont think it would be such an effective anti-mage device as it is...perhaps chorae are the result of a certain combination of events like topoi...those who engage in aporos simply take advantage of existing conditions...
As long as cishaurims can whisper their meaning right into the God's voice without imperfecting it, there is always a chance for other loopholes.

Also, here's a lil crackpot with a post-apocalyptic taste of misusing technoly: true purpose of chorae was never revealed. Maybe they are eggs of anarcane grounds (here's a nice connection with a certain desert clan of water-bearers). Or counter-sorcery bombs yet to be activated.

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General Earwa / Re: Crazy Ass Speculation Thread
« on: March 12, 2015, 01:49:07 pm »
Quote from: Francis Buck on March 12, 2015, 04:16:19 am
Another thing to note is that we don't actually know how long the Consult has had them, but only that their numbers are dwindling.
As far as I remember, Mandate's recent reputation as mad weepies & myth-chasers was caused by a sudden lack of clear, constant & known enemy. Both in their own & in great names eyes it was like Consult just ceased to be. Grumpy-happy end, no second apocalypse for anyone, go home gnostics, you're drunkards. That's a possible time point when mangaeccans deployed skin-spies, thus consealing Consult's activities to a non-detectable level.

If that guess is correct, skin-spies as we know them is a technology with 2-3 hundred year history at best. But, of course, there could have been ancient prototypes and/or neighborhood concepts.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Nonmen Society
« on: March 03, 2015, 09:28:43 pm »
Quote from: The Sharmat on February 02, 2015, 06:52:54 am
eventually resulting in a stable sub-population of people that only bred with each other and began receiving selection pressure for traits that allowed them to more effectively exploit other humans (keen senses, nocturnal lifestyle for nightly slave raids, great strength)
There is one disturbing thing about natural cause of cunuroi & halaroi difference. A cunuroi lifespan, which was around 400 years. Even if this is a legacy of a common ancestor, either men or nonmen changed in too damn multiplicative manner, something is not quite right there.

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Atrocity Tales / Re: The False Sun
« on: February 28, 2015, 01:33:35 am »
Quote from: Wilshire
Or perhaps the false sun is more direcly connected to the inverse fire. Maybe a better name for the IF would be the FALSE fire? The Inverse Fire is a lie! (the Inchoroi's version of cake)
A false fire. Sounds like a falschfeuer in german whis is a flare in english. 

A flare, also sometimes called a fusee, is a type of pyrotechnic that produces a brilliant light or intense heat without an explosion.

Literally, that is a safe device to fight a darkness. Is this the same darkness that came before? Also, consider another option.

A special variety of flare is used in military aircraft as a defensive countermeasure against heat-seeking missiles.

As long as there are Marks and ciphrangs hunting you in the Outside, IF could be an unsuccessfull or semi-successfull distraction device. How can one conseal his damned soul, especially marked one? But, by clouding it with thousands of false copies.

After a while, these two options seem to me like two faces of the same coin. Cloaking your soul in your multiplied damnation? Feels like a close and ruthless acquaintance with all desicions and deeds you have ever made without any possibility to forget or to misrepresent. So, that's a way to fight the darkness that came before, even if the indirect one.

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General Earwa / Re: Crazy Ass Speculation Thread
« on: February 26, 2015, 01:32:50 pm »
Quote from: The Sharmat on February 26, 2015, 01:14:42 am
Skin-Spies are exceedingly shallow creatures
I wonder, what will change of that feature when the NG walks? As far as I remember, hordes of scranc were rallied by his influence to a point when they were instantly screaming his (inner?) monologue to the mundane world. It's hard to decide if that shallowness helps such posession or complicates it.

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General Earwa / Re: Crazy Ass Speculation Thread
« on: February 26, 2015, 12:44:52 am »
Quote from: Wilshire on February 24, 2015, 06:54:42 pm
On that note, I wonder if the Mandati dream Seswatha's dreams? Would they be able to tell the difference?
That depends on Seswatha's skills with lucid dreaming, I suppose. Also that provides us with an explanation of these"prisoner's dreams". There could be a "zero" heart or some other limb, grasped by Seswatha himself. Possibly, as a test of such mnemonic technology?

Quote from: Wilshire on February 24, 2015, 06:54:42 pm
Not sure what the question is. What do you mean?
That's mostly about duniyain ability to fight with the unfathomable causality by walking the shortest paths. If the IF is an honest damnation-meter, that's a very useful device for these monks, a practical method to map all the darkness that came before them. If the IF is a lying hoax, duniyain are among those few who can reveal deception without succumbing to it.

Quote from: Wilshire on February 24, 2015, 06:54:42 pm
Goes back to what the IF actually shows, if it is 'correct', and if different races/species/people all see the same thing.
Considering the name of the thread, I cannot resist. Here's two guesses.
1) 42
2) I will be late. Your Solitary God. PS don't feed ciphrangs after your're dead

Quote from: Lieutenant Ripley on February 25, 2015, 04:16:28 pm
Kellhus will steal the Inverse Fire and reprogram it to show not hell but heaven, compelling all who see it to believe that they will only reach heaven if they give themselves utterly to the Kellic faith
Considering skin-spies are a keepers of the IF, such theft could turn them into fighter-priest around warrior-prophet. YAY! Badass lackeys for badass boss.

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