[The Sharmat]

Well Moenghus was NOT the first Dunyain they sent into the world.

Do we know this for a fact?

[Wilshire]

Well when I wrote that I thought so, but I can't think of a direct quote, so maybe not .

[mrganondorf]

Were you referring to the bit about the Dunyain coming to Ishual?  They had been in the world before that.  Wonder if they sent different cells all over the place.  Eanna would have some good spots.

[Wilshire]

Nah I thought perhaps they mentioned sending out others into the world, perhaps many many years before Moenghus. I probably made it up though.

[mrganondorf]

I wonder how advanced the Dunyain project was when they found Ishual?  I don't think we have any info on that--the timeline could go way way back.

[Monstar]

The consensus was there, MG, that Yatwer started interfering with Esmenet's pregnancies when the abominations started, which probably correlates to when the Hundred turned against Kellhus. Then Kelmomas and Samarmas is an Ajokli intervention on Yatwer's decree.

Crazypottheory: Aurang left a ticking time bomb in Esmi's mind.  At the crucial moment, she's going to see the Inverse Fire just as Aurang did.  Prolly same time Akka sees it.

Amazing. This could be a thing.

The time bomb IS Kelmomas?

EDIT: time bomb is mimara's baby--culmination of the prophecy

"and a child of the void will conceive our savior in a womb that is a pit"

"Called Min-Uroikas (“Pit of Obscenities” in Ihrimsû)"

Plus the Inchoroi came from there and are referred to as orphans as if the thing was their Mother.

Soory if a bit off topic!

[mrganondorf]

All dem pits!

If the Ark and Esmi's womb are somehow isomorphic, I will shit myself. 

[mrganondorf]

Unrelated to Aurang ... A song for Esmi and Akka

[Simas Polchias]

I wonder how advanced the Dunyain project was when they found Ishual?  I don't think we have any info on that--the timeline could go way way back.

As far as I remember, two thousand years ago they've lacked a large part of principles, which made them so determined & effective (Emperical Priority & Rational Priority, Epistemological Principle).

The cold eyes peered through him and saw this was true. “When the Dünyain first found Ishual in these mountains, they knew only one principle of the Logos. What was that principle, young Kellhus?” “That which comes before determines that which comes after.”

[Wilshire]

I dont know what any of those things are Simas


I'm pretty sure the Dunyain didn't have much of a long history before Ishual. They were a minor philosophical cult without a huge number of followers. I could swear we get a few brief mentions of them in WLW... Wherever it was, I got the feeling that they were not some secret society that stretched way back, but more like a new extremist group that cropped up soon before the Apocalypse.

[The Sharmat]

Plus the Inchoroi came from there and are referred to as orphans as if the thing was their Mother.

Father, Seswatha corrected Nau-Cayuti.

Might be telling as to the role of females in primitive Inchoroi society and biology.

[mrganondorf]

Plus the Inchoroi came from there and are referred to as orphans as if the thing was their Mother.

Father, Seswatha corrected Nau-Cayuti.

Might be telling as to the role of females in primitive Inchoroi society and biology.

maybe the Ark is actually the corpse of Yatwer who ascended to the heavens after crashing into Earwa.  the whole death of birth/No-God thing is an attempt to bring her back?  by stifling every birth, the pressure will build until a hole bursts open connecting the Outside to Earwa and the Inchoroi get their mom back

[Wilshire]

lol that might be too much for me to take. The Inchoroi driving around in a mechano-biological god of birth...

[themerchant]

Plus the Inchoroi came from there and are referred to as orphans as if the thing was their Mother.

Father, Seswatha corrected Nau-Cayuti.

Might be telling as to the role of females in primitive Inchoroi society and biology.

i think he says "or fathered" and mentions they dont have the concepts to understand them.

[Wilshire]

Like various molds or mosses that have several "sexes" as we would understand them.

Inchoroi = sentient plant people. A conclusion hinted at by the Mop and its ensouled trees.