Quote from: profgrape on February 26, 2016, 03:36:04 pm

Quote from: H on February 26, 2016, 12:06:48 pm

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According to the Nonman King, not one in a hundred Inchoroi survived the Ark’s fall from the heavens, and yet a thousand thousand of them had warred against the Nonmen over the course of their innumerable wars.

So, there were 100 million Inchoroi in the Ark?  I can't say I am believing that...

Certainly not if the measurements of the Ark in the Isuphiryas are to be believed. 

Yeah, I am more inclined to believe the measurements than the number of Inchoroi they thought they faced.

With the grafts, there could have been a much smaller, ever "evolving" group of Inchoroi which made it seem like vaster numbers.

I can somewhat believe the 100 million. Golgotterath is somewhat described as "low-tide" at the beach. when the tide drifts away and hundreds and hundreds of clams and mussels attach themselves to the pier or a sunken boats hull on its side. im picturing clams on clams on clams. im starting to think the Inchoroi are clams-heads with grafted bodies.   

(On my phone)
The skin spy is communcating on a sonar level. Tell fellow skin spies how many guards, their hours, and what is needed to visit him in captivity.

And the only other time we witness someone walk thru wards is when Cleric is sitting over Mimara while Akka is beside her sleep. It's seems like is a high level techqiue

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Certainly there were truces, the coming together of coincidental interests, but nothing else, nothing meaningful. Kellhus had taught him that. He cackled aloud when the revelation struck, and for a moment the world itself wobbled. A sense of power suffused him, so intense it seemed something other might snap from his frame, that throwing out his arms he could shear Joktha’s walls from their foundations, cast them to the horizon. No reason bound him. Nothing. No scruple, no instinct, no habit, no calculation, no hate … He stood beyond origin or outcome. He stood nowhere.

I'd have to say this is the moment in which Gilgoal actually inhabited Cnaüir. Joktha is one of my favorite battle scenes in the books, for this reason alone.

This is a really interesting part because we get Cnaiirs inside POV of feeling Gilgoal and a outside view. Conphas says the same when he captures Cnaiir in Chapter 9:

Conphas had witnessed it, as much as any of the Columnaries who'd quailed before him in Jokta. In the firelight the barbarian's eyes had been coals set in his skull. And the blood had painted him the colour of his true skin. Theswatting arms, the roaring voices, the chest-pounding declarations. They had all seen the God. They had all seen dread Gilgaol rearing about him. a great shadow...

im starting to think the IF is a consciousness giving device, an tekne operating system. a device that give flesh life from the scrane to the bashrag. But a creature that already has consciousness ie humans, nonman get a extra consciousness placed into them, similar to Ses heart and the mandate. a force that "drives" the flesh that is the body and the consciousness itself is driven by fear. 

In chapter 2 when Cnaiir meets baby Moe and grasps the concept of how the Dunyain see world-born men, it leads me to believe the idea that Ses had a hand in the creation of the Dunyain. He has seen first hand the way nations and men will act even in the face of death. Like the king who hid the heron spear while other nations were destoryed, even with the threat of the No-God, men will be men.
So he at least had a hand in the making of the Dunyain civilization where he was very lucky to find the last Anasûrimbor.

In Chapter 22 theres a cut to two guards, Rash and Wrigga, talking about one of their first sightings of Kellhus' and Serwe's child. these two were setup to tell Cnaiir that the babys name was Moenghus, as soon as Cnaiir leaves, the two men look at each other
"then just to be certain. they resumed their fabricated conversation. As theyd been instructed."

Who set this up? Kellhus? To start the wheel rolling on Cnaiirs betrayal?  Thats a odd way to inform Cnaiir that his son was born and named Moenghus. Natural word of mouth would of spread that info.

 

during this reread i noticed Cnaiirs fetish for Norsirai women. His most loved wife was half Norsirai and i think this comes from Moe's manipulation of Cnaiir, sexual or not cnaiir loves the pale skin and blonde hair. Kellhus must of seen this and took Serwe and gave her what cnaiir could never give her, happiness and the feeling that you are greater then you appear.