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Bakker says we move in circles, I believe that we move in spirals.

An endlessly rising canon.

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An endlessly rising canon.

 

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Now I think about it, isn't there something in Godel, Escher, Bach about how spirals can be mistaken for circles due to a limited viewpoint?

(Also, in The Elder Scrolls games, the circle of the universe turned on its side is a tower called 'I'.  )

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Spirals are awesome.

It's all a question of perspective, as you say.

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The High Temple Prayer, of course:

Sweet Gods of Gods,
Who walk among us, innumerable are you hallowed names,
May your bread silence our daily hunger,
Judge us not according to our trespasses
But according to our temptations.
For your name is Truth,
which endures and endures,
for ever and ever.

The Lord's Prayer:

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil

But Haaska I really love the one you quoted from The Chronicle of Tusk about the flame and spark as well.

In fact, the whole book gives me a very creepy, eerie, through-the-glass-darkly feeling, as if the story is somehow the story of our world, but in a parallel universe.  That's part of its enormous appeal to me: it's never quite "safe" to simply file it away under "Escapism."

p.s.: can someone find a complete version of the High Temple Prayer?  I'm piecing it together from memory and some fragments I've found, but I'm having trouble locating the full prayer

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+1 Curethan.

Lol, Bakker's big on spirals people. Memgowa.

I feel like there is a Xinemus recites a complete version around one of the fires but I can't find it at the moment. Hrm..

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Hey gang just a quick vent here, I know its polite to post specific questions in specific threads, but I'm guessing this thread might be fitting. So am I the only one that doesn't imagine Bakker's world as semi Sci-Fi? It seems when I read a lot of the responses on here a lot of you are imagining certain aspects of the series to be somewhat scientific in nature. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head:

The Heron Spear being some sort of a "Lazer" (I'm ashamed to admit that I just thought of Austin Powers after I typed that) I mean when I read it I literally imagined some sort of an epic spear.

I know the Ark is hard to ignore as a spaceship, but part of me just can't come to terms with that. With the most recent chapter preview most of you imagined an elevator of some kind, but I didn't...

"They floated upward through some kind of shaft, one impossibly vast, a gullet broad enough to house the King-Temple whole."

 I like my fantasy to feel authentic and my biggest pet peeve is the blending of science fiction and fantasy. I know that sounds lame, but that's just how I feel. I suppose I like the more "biblical" setting that Bakker has provided rather than the metal/science fiction aspect that surrounds the Ark. Am I the only one that feels this way?

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So am I the only one that doesn't imagine Bakker's world as semi Sci-Fi?

You may very well be. I happen to think, unless he cast the Inchoroi as demons instead of aliens, that his blend of SFF has been masterful.

The Heron Spear being some sort of a "Lazer" (I'm ashamed to admit that I just thought of Austin Powers after I typed that) I mean when I read it I literally imagined some sort of an epic spear.

I know the Ark is hard to ignore as a spaceship, but part of me just can't come to terms with that. With the most recent chapter preview most of you imagined an elevator of some kind, but I didn't...

+1. I would have said lasgun .

Also, there are quite a few of us that might speculate creature before spaceship.

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I'm not one, who draws hard borders between scifi and fantasy, but Bakker's mixture of the two genres is perfect. When I read about the Inchoroi and her weapons of light against the armies of the Nonmen, I had images of those battles in the Warhammer 40.000 universe in my mind ( I've played these miniature games very often some years ago ) And the Warhammer universe is also a cool mixture of fantasy and scifi.
The Heron Spear is a big laserweapon from the eldar race in Warhammer 40k, I am sure

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+1, Davias.

I always enjoy the idea of interaction between space-faring and planet bound species or, say, the types of the Kardashev scale.

[Madness]

Lmao... what a fucking memory I have sometimes.

p.s.: can someone find a complete version of the High Temple Prayer?  I'm piecing it together from memory and some fragments I've found, but I'm having trouble locating the full prayer

I feel like there is a Xinemus recites a complete version around one of the fires but I can't find it at the moment. Hrm..

Here TS, if you're lurking, only many moons later.

I was right:

Sweet God of Gods,
who walk among us,
innumerable are your holy names.
May your bread silence our daily hunger,
may your rains quicken our undying lands,
may our submission be answered with dominion,
so we may prosper in your name.
Judge us not according to our trespasses,
but according to our temptations,
and deliver unto others,
what others have delivered unto us,
for your name is Power,
and your name is Glory,
for your name is Truth,
which endures and endures,
for ever and ever.

Glory to the God.

[Alia]

I know I'm dragging an old thread up, but when I read TJE, there is one scene that reminds me very much of the Bible, only the other way round. I mean Chapter 9, when Psatma Nannaferi is reciting "Sinyatwa" and says "Cursed be..." This reminds me of Matthew 5 and the famous "eight blessings", only here we have six curses.

[Phallus Pendulus]

The best and subtlest Bible allusion in the entire TSA series - that scene where Kellhus is punished with something that sounds like a combo of crucifixion and circumcision.

Mind = blown. Ever am I deceived.

[Wilshire]

It also sounds like circumference, which makes sense because he's tied to a circle.

[Madness]

I know I'm dragging an old thread up

Please do not hesitate to do so in the future. Resurrect at will.