LOVE THIS THREAD!!!  Going to have to go along with the idea that the IF is some kind of 'compulsion machine.'  Perhaps the inchoroi at some point long long ago realized that their quest would be unfinished unless they possessed absolute devotion to their cause?  They create the IF to propagandize themselves and now no one is the wiser.

It will be neat if we see the judging eye and the IF agreeing, but if they disagree, which one is the standard to measure the other one as false?  Is there a third thing?  Kellhus gonna look in dat thing and get the ITCH.  He was already so vulnerable to possessed Esmi...

@ curethan - really like this idea of digging too deep.  The end of TTT took us to what Cnaiur considered "too deep" so maybe TUC will take us deeper still.  Thank you for pointing out the dragon, I didn't notice it being out of place.  This is not Gringots!  Does this add a third category to the bakkerverse?  Outside, inside, *underneath*

@ wiltshire - the "death came swirling down" made me think of Homer, "dark came swirling down":
http://home.ubalt.edu/NTYGFIT/ai_01_pursuing_fame/ai_01_tell/iliad06.htm
gods as avatars has a homery ring to it

WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE TUSK ROOM BEING AN ANTI-TOPOI.  That sounds strange and wonderful and oddly fiiting since that tusk thingy is an inchoroi artifact!  Is it just a thing or is it still fulfilling a purpose for the Consult, like listening to conversations or messing with reality or i don't know what

where the hell do you get a tusk that big?  another abomination will see crawl out of the ark at the last battle?

@ lockesnow - the facts surrounding the fall of the ark really fascinate me.  Why did it crash on *this* world when it was so successful elsewhere?  Did a god strike it from the sky?  I can't think of any other entity powerful enough to harm the ark to the point that it becomes a dead womb and only 1/100 survive.

about the entire race trapped in hell--this is what I'm wondering the ultimate motivation for Aurang and Aurax is--they have some kind of absolute loyalty to their species and the advent of the NG will eventually let them reclaim Inchoroi souls form hell?  Resonates with what the synthese says at the end of TTT about not even the dead escape the benjuka plate.  Possible motivation for dunyain?  Reclaim dunyain of old?

topoi like pit--esmi's harlot womb like a topoi--NG special effect on wombs--WHAT DOES IT MEAN???

@ madness - i gotta agree with you that the inchoroi want earwa because it is the most connected to the outside--brilliant!

I like the idea of Atrithau being the oldest topois--I don't suppose it's soil is exported to help form chorae?  And btw, whatever chorae the great ordeal bring with them, they could be dwarfed by the number the consult have, right?  Unless the consult lost the art…

that bit about the place where sejenus ascended, was this guy beaten to death with a guilded thigh bone AND THEN ascended?  that sejenus life-narrative is hidden from us, mostly, makes me wonder if we're going to get revelations about him in TUC

@ locke - woo!  that's a neat idear about a weaponized topoi!  sure am glad i started hanging out here, i didn't know how many speculations i didn't know

about cnaiur feeling the "great inversion of ground" -- what if the mansion Old Moe was using was also topoi?  what end what that serve and what effect would it have on the captive skinspies and kellhus?

@ sciborg2 -- you got me thinking--is there an angelic counterpart to the daimos?  would mimara be connected to that?

@ auriga -- your quote reminded me--i'm really bothered that we don't know what happened between the event of akka being carried away by demon and akka waking up in a hut?  HIDING SOMETHING BIG IN THERE

Standoff

LMAO they need a whole new word for that level of standoff

I LIKE I LIKE--WANT TO SEE HER IN TUC

Thanks locke!  I think that might be the biggest one

Quote from: Madness on February 11, 2014, 06:51:09 pm

Sorweel and Mimara have a chance at something approximating normal .

Only if approximately normal, in Bakkerverse, is an orphaned son getting with his father's killer's daughter who happens to be the most powerful Witch in Earwa, consummating their marriage in an alien species prison.

Seems normal to me.

Hahaha--their kid will be named Billy, be good at math but not spelling, like baseball but be terrible at it, shy around girls because he makes their wombs into graves and stalks the earth making no friends since all are terrorized by his presence on the horizon.  Does not like broccoli.

Going so far overboard I missed by 900,000!

I can resist throwing in my crackpot too: Old Moe has tons of kids walking around dominating circumstance.     Six kids only?  Lies.  Drowned?  LIES.  Only 2 women can bear little dunyain swimmers?  LIES LIES LIES!!!  Old Moe got that psukhe and then let out the rumor that it requires passion.  Kellhus gets it wrong, believes the cover his dad has worked so hard to erect, it would have to be elaborate to deceive a son of Ishual!  Esmi is not special, Moe's just got Dunyain/Cishaurim working around the clock to magically manipulate her womb so that Kellhus gets just the kids Moe wants him to have and no others.

I can't think of any narrative reasons why Bakker would hide so many Moe-children, I've just fallen into the habit of mistrusting all them character.   

Moe's kids: Meppa, Fanayal, Mimara, Sorweel, Ninjanjin and Sil.

THE TWIST: Moe is not Kellhus' dad.  Kellhus was born of a virgin.