The History of Earwa and an Alternative History of Earth

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« on: August 10, 2015, 09:29:37 pm »
Recently, I have noticed several links between the history of Earwa and the alternative history of Earth proposed by the likes of Michael Tsarion. From what I have gathered from a few of Tsarion's talks, his history of Earth is incredibly similar to Earwa's. Sorry if this is too long, I just feel like sharing.

Now let's get this out of the way, both Tsarion and J.R.R. Tolkien were heavily inspired by a variety of European mythologies and the Bible. Tsarion formulates his history of the world from these myths and Tolkien created his fantasy universe using these myths as a base. In turn, Bakker's main influence seems to be Tolkien, so these guys are all drawing from the same mythological pool to form their ideas. Because of this, it's easy to see why there are similarities between Tsarion and Bakker. However, the similarities are INCREDIBLY pronounced, at least in my eyes.

The gist of Tsarion's alternative history of our Earth is extremely similar to Bakker's history of Earwa. I'll try to lay out this history as simply and bare bones as I can because it is surprisingly deep. About 50,000 years ago, an insidious and technologically advanced alien race crash landed on Earth and became stranded. They immediately began to manipulate the local population of Earth (humans being the focus) with the end goal being the being the creation of a slave race entirely subservient to them.

The main way they went about this was the genetic alteration of Earth's population to make it inherently subservient, yet also intelligent enough to be highly effective slaves. They also manufactured a sort of proto Judaism to indoctrinate the masses, with them holding the equivalent role of God in the Bible and any dissenters to their plans representing Satan.

Anyhow, despite their indoctrination and genetic alterations, humans eventually caught wind of the terrible nature of these aliens and retreated to other parts of the planet. However, the aliens still desired a slave race and learning from their mistakes, created another slave race by genetically altering reptiles (making the reptiles humanoid) resulting in a cold blooded, brutal and obedient race. Anyone familiar with David Icke will correctly guess where that story leads!
So after the humans caught onto the manipulations of the Inchoroi, ahem, "aliens" these aliens began a war against humanity using all of their technological prowess in an attempt to destroy them.

According to the talk I listened to, Tsarion believes that this war happened about 11,000 years ago and was a literal apocalypse. Both sides were ravaged and the aliens were reduced to only a handful of survivors along with most of their technology being destroyed or lost.

After this, the aliens retreated underground, both literally and figuratively! They began manipulating humanity subtly due to the loss of their former powers. Using their disguised humanoid reptile creations as puppets, they began infiltrating governments, dictating religions, society, customs etc. with their goal still being the enslavement or destruction of most of humanity.

There's so much more to it and you really have to listen to the talks like I did or presumably read his books to get a full picture of just how similar Tsarion's history and Bakker's fantasy are. Obvious links can be made between the Mandate, the Thousand Temples, the nations of Earwa, MAGIC (to name a few) and the stuff that appears in Tsarion’s work. Of course, there are some VITAL differences in the specifics of the two histories yet the overall big picture is remarkably similar.






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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2015, 12:55:20 pm »
Wait I'm confused, is this Tsarion actually suggesting that those things are real, or is that some kind of SFF story he's writing?

I'd say from what you described that while there may be some similarities, I don't know how tightly linked they really are. Certainly genetic manipulations aren't the norm in advanced sci-fi aliens, but the Inchoroi are not unique. In fact, they seem far more advanced than Tsarion's, since they DO have entire races subservient to their every whim (every weapon race). They also aren't trying to do anything with humanity but kill them, same with the Nonmen.

So, again, they do seem a bit similar, but my guess is that its entirely coincidental. Whether or not its intentional or even real, almost any SFF work can be said to draw from Tolkien, the histories of Europe, and/or the Bible. That said, I didn't watch any of the talks you mentioned or read any of his books, so maybe there are more similarities that I'm missing (maybe provide links?).
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2015, 01:29:12 pm »
Tsarion believes that narrative to be true.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2015, 02:13:48 pm »
Tsarion believes that narrative to be true.
I find that fascinating. So he's pretty much the creator and follower of his own creation myth?
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2015, 02:26:57 pm »
Similar themes from Zechariah Sitchin, postulated in his Earth Chronicles (which he also believes are true).  Advanced aliens came to Earth 400,000 years ago, got tired of working themselves, created a worker race (man), genetic manipulation, installation of religions, wars, blah.  All based on pretty arbitrary translations of Sumerian myths and legends.  Anyway, a fun read, but difficult to take seriously.  Nothing new under the sun, just different takes on similar subject matter.  Isn't that what they say about humans?  Pattern recognition and all that?  Gonna go all existential here but, also isn't it in our nature to blame something/anything else for our woes?  Aliens, God, the evil monkey in our closet?  We're the architects of our own shitty houses, but always blame something else for it.  Then again, that wouldn't make for very interesting reading, would it?

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2015, 04:21:57 pm »
Come on, this is Ancient Aliens 101! They all make a convincing case, yet at the end of the day, until I see a spaceship or Aliens greeting the POTUS....I can't take it seriously.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2015, 06:04:20 pm »
I don't think that Aliens would come looking for POTUS. Requires too many assumptions on the biology and cognition of aliens and then them making the semantic leaps required to respect our sociocultural hierarchy as we do.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2015, 06:43:58 pm »
I don't think that Aliens would come looking for POTUS. Requires too many assumptions on the biology and cognition of aliens and then them making the semantic leaps required to respect our sociocultural hierarchy as we do.

This.  Our world would probably look something like giant accumulations of anthills with no discernible queen(s), or artificial cancers populated with things that live in said dead zones.  How could they know our real leader was something as intangible as money?
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2015, 07:03:03 pm »
Gonna go all existential here but, also isn't it in our nature to blame something/anything else for our woes?  Aliens, God, the evil monkey in our closet?  We're the architects of our own shitty houses, but always blame something else for it.  Then again, that wouldn't make for very interesting reading, would it?


Funny you say that because the main point Tsarion goes on and on about is that humans are ultimately the root of the problem. His view is that we allowed ourselves to be manipulated by these entities because of our weaknesses. Deep down, we want to be dominated by a greater force to provide the direction in our lives that we desperately crave. It's something along those lines anyway, this Tsarion is a very interesting character. Who knows, maybe his "alternative history" with aliens and whatnot is just a vehicle he uses to get this more important point across.

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2015, 07:05:15 pm »
Put like that, is sounds like a justification for slavery though, which makes me profoundly skeptical.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2015, 07:41:54 pm »
Put like that, is sounds like a justification for slavery though, which makes me profoundly skeptical.

Have you seen 'Going Clear'?  This reminds me of that.  Some scary shit.
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2015, 08:15:29 pm »
I don't think that Aliens would come looking for POTUS. Requires too many assumptions on the biology and cognition of aliens and then them making the semantic leaps required to respect our sociocultural hierarchy as we do.

Not if the Ancient Alen theory is true. They've been here or are keeping an eye out for us, their little experiment or what have you.
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 04:55:02 pm »

Recently, I have noticed several links between the history of Earwa and the alternative history of Earth proposed by the likes of Michael Tsarion. From what I have gathered from a few of Tsarion's talks, his history of Earth is incredibly similar to Earwa's. Sorry if this is too long, I just feel like sharing.

Now let's get this out of the way, both Tsarion and J.R.R. Tolkien were heavily inspired by a variety of European mythologies and the Bible. Tsarion formulates his history of the world from these myths and Tolkien created his fantasy universe using these myths as a base. In turn, Bakker's main influence seems to be Tolkien, so these guys are all drawing from the same mythological pool to form their ideas. Because of this, it's easy to see why there are similarities between Tsarion and Bakker. However, the similarities are INCREDIBLY pronounced, at least in my eyes.

The gist of Tsarion's alternative history of our Earth is extremely similar to Bakker's history of Earwa. I'll try to lay out this history as simply and bare bones as I can because it is surprisingly deep. About 50,000 years ago, an insidious and technologically advanced alien race crash landed on Earth and became stranded. They immediately began to manipulate the local population of Earth (humans being the focus) with the end goal being the being the creation of a slave race entirely subservient to them.

The main way they went about this was the genetic alteration of Earth's population to make it inherently subservient, yet also intelligent enough to be highly effective slaves. They also manufactured a sort of proto Judaism to indoctrinate the masses, with them holding the equivalent role of God in the Bible and any dissenters to their plans representing Satan.

Anyhow, despite their indoctrination and genetic alterations, humans eventually caught wind of the terrible nature of these aliens and retreated to other parts of the planet. However, the aliens still desired a slave race and learning from their mistakes, created another slave race by genetically altering reptiles (making the reptiles humanoid) resulting in a cold blooded, brutal and obedient race. Anyone familiar with David Icke will correctly guess where that story leads!
So after the humans caught onto the manipulations of the Inchoroi, ahem, "aliens" these aliens began a war against humanity using all of their technological prowess in an attempt to destroy them.

According to the talk I listened to, Tsarion believes that this war happened about 11,000 years ago and was a literal apocalypse. Both sides were ravaged and the aliens were reduced to only a handful of survivors along with most of their technology being destroyed or lost.

After this, the aliens retreated underground, both literally and figuratively! They began manipulating humanity subtly due to the loss of their former powers. Using their disguised humanoid reptile creations as puppets, they began infiltrating governments, dictating religions, society, customs etc. with their goal still being the enslavement or destruction of most of humanity.

There's so much more to it and you really have to listen to the talks like I did or presumably read his books to get a full picture of just how similar Tsarion's history and Bakker's fantasy are. Obvious links can be made between the Mandate, the Thousand Temples, the nations of Earwa, MAGIC (to name a few) and the stuff that appears in Tsarion’s work. Of course, there are some VITAL differences in the specifics of the two histories yet the overall big picture is remarkably similar.

Thanks for writing about this Cleaver428! I had never heard of Tsarion--looks really interesting. On thay note ... U GUYZ HAVE TO READ LORD OF ALL THINGS OMG IT IS VERY RELEVANT TO THIS STUFF AND SO WELL WRITTEN AND SAD