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Hell on earth under a manifested Ajokli (that one seems like an easy call, but what becomes of the metaphysics of souls under a God manifested in the Inward?)?
For all we know, maybe if Ajokli rules the World and brings his Hells with him, that might leave the Outside full of only Heavens?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Serwa and Kelmomas
« on: August 08, 2017, 05:38:40 pm »
Though doesn't she count 100, not 99, right off the hop before beginning her Dance?
Nope.

"...and in that heartbeat she absorbed everything illuminated, plotted her lines of flight, for she could feel the ninety-nine Chorae hanging about her..."

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] The No-God's abilities
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:32:37 pm »
Esmenet did say that Serwa was capable of love but then she was whisked away to the Swayali so she missed out on that
Yes, but I think it's pretty clear Esmenet is a bad judge of character when it comes to her children. ;)

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] The No-God's abilities
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:31:11 pm »
I'm still not sure we're done with Sorweel. It's totally irrational but as it is the end feels pointless even by a "the pointlessness is the point" metric.
It's interesting to me that Mimara's waters break at the exact moment Sorweel dies. "Her mother has her. Her mother has her." And then we immediately switch to Sorweel's PoV, which ends with Yatwer / his own mother saying: "I have you, Sweetling."

Might just be a bit of poetic juxtaposition. Or Bakker is telling us something.

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I'm not sure her passions are stunted at all.
You might have a point there. Serwa does seem the most human of Kellhus' children, doesn't she?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inverse fire
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:21:37 pm »
I like this a lot. They're only the Absolute as a system. Individually, each is moving/manipulating/hunting the other. Intellect and hunger. Taken as a single entity though, the system is moving itself. It bootstraps itself into existence and gives itself power from nothing.
It's very Michael Kirkbride / Elder Scrolls, isn't it?

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I think Golgotterath is unlike any other topos in intensity.
Probably. I mean, Kellhus experimented with head-swapping with Ajokli on Mengedda, which was presumably the deepest topos he knew of / had easy access to. And that clearly did not prepare him for the Golden Room.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kellhus' Options
« on: August 07, 2017, 08:54:30 pm »
Thanks Duskweaver! Thanks for destroying my theories. I love you!
If it helps, I did feel bad about it. ;)

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ETA: in all seriousness, you may well be right, but, we're given no other definition of daimos.

Read the passage in TGO where 'elhusioli' is mentioned. It's clearly not referring to sorcery:

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Only on the hunt and in the subsequent feast did the Viroi yield to elhusioli, the Nonman daimos of excess. Their expeditions were things of song and legend, so much so that Hûsyelt, the Dark Hunter, was said to hunt them from time to time. The Hoar-Pelt, the great white bear-skin the Nonmen Kings of Viri wore in a crown’s stead, was held to be a gift of the jealous and mercurial God.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] The No-God's abilities
« on: August 07, 2017, 08:42:02 pm »
Nah. A Dunyain - even a badass half-Dunyain dragon-slaying witch - would be rubbish at the Psuke. Their passions are too stunted. Even though she really did love Sorweel.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kellhus' Options
« on: August 07, 2017, 08:11:32 pm »
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elhusioli—The daimos of excess. As per standard Kiünnat metaphysics, souls directly move other souls, impart the imprint of daimos upon another daimos. Some, such as terror or enthusiasm, are set apart for the dramatic nature of their effects.
I'm not sure that means what you think it means. It's not talking about the (capital-D) Daimos, as in the branch of sorcery. It's talking about an emotion or principle that the Nonmen termed 'elhusioli' and which we would call 'excess'. There's a passage in TGO stating that the Nonmen of Viri only indulged in the daimos of 'elhusioli' during and after a hunt (and that this attracted the attention of Husyelt). The Nonmen seem to use (small-d) 'daimos' in the same way the Greeks did, to refer to a concept that can move one's soul (which in the Outside would be personified as an Agency) such as 'love', 'rage', 'sorrow' or whatever.

Incidentally, 'elhysioloi' means 'attractants' (for example, pheromones) in Greek.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kellhus' Options
« on: August 07, 2017, 07:15:27 pm »
I think C is the closest, except replace "kill the Gods" with "rewrite the Gods and the rules of the Outside so that the Gods serve Man rather than Man being food for the Gods". I've no real idea how he intended to do that, though. But the word 'Meta-Daimos' probably would have been involved. :P

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] How big is Sil?
« on: August 07, 2017, 07:03:23 pm »
They were already that big upon landing though.
Yes. I should have said "Maybe Sil remained larger..."

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] How big is Sil?
« on: August 07, 2017, 06:17:13 pm »
I suspect Aurax and Aurang ended up the size they are principally because they found that the ideal size for raping humans. They're big enough to easily overpower most humans, while not being so large that they cannot find an orifice to comfortably accomodate them.

Maybe Sil was larger in order to contend with the Tall, but there's no reason to be that big any more.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
« on: August 07, 2017, 05:50:10 pm »
I suppose that's possible (that she was replaced only recently).

Anyway, the degree to which skin-spies can alter their bodies (rather than just their faces) is still an unknown quantity. Several passages suggest they only change their faces. But that makes their supposedly high success rate as infiltrators completely implausible.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Merchandising the Second Apocalypse
« on: August 07, 2017, 05:41:41 pm »
What line is crossed, and why? But what if it serves the greater good - couple of t-shirts and a sranc figurine funding all of Bakker's future writing?
Making money out of somebody else's intellectual property in violation of their wishes is immoral. It is no different from theft as far as I'm concerned.

Obviously, if Bakker says it's OK to sell stuff in order to cover the costs of running this site, then that is a different matter. But unless he consents, his world is not yours to sell.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
« on: August 07, 2017, 05:31:10 pm »
The skin-spies sex is also confused. Hermaphrodites maybe?
Skin-spy sex is one of the things in this series I still have less than zero idea about. I still don't get how Ikurei Xerius could be having sex with Istriya-spy for years without ever noticing she had a penis.

But it certainly seems like the Inchoroi just like sticking penises on everything.

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