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The Unholy Consult / Re: !TUC SPOILER POLICY!
« on: May 09, 2017, 11:47:09 pm »
Spoilers? Pfft, you mean future bookmarks.
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Well, G, when you put it that way, guess it was pretty lame, LOL!I meant a "honorable warrior" i need to reread these before I post them. I'm typing from my phone and I'm usually posting when I'm at work. I did miss understand your thread but there had been so many moments that have brought tears to my eyes, giving me the feeling of dread, joy and awe.
I like your take on my thread here ( was meant more of what parts of the story scared/shocked/disturbed you ), but I like your point and to add we shouldn't be wide-eyed and bushy tailed all the time with the writing ( read: don't know Bakker, but I take it he wouldn't be warm to star-fucking ) - he's human and some of what he writes suffers at times and it's good to provide feedback which may help him improve. That or he was tired of writing that day and didn't have a wild-ass sword fight scene in him to spew it out for us.
Since you have a knack for it, any other weak stuff you've come across in PON? Not sure what you meant by " ... and this isn't a SOLAR" ... what's a SOLAR?
I remember having a "oh, fuck you Bakker" moment in TWP. When kellhus fights the 3 assassins sent by the Emperor. One of the assassins was a Zeumi sword-dancer, as a African-American my first thought was "this guy sounds like a black samurai, this is gonna be a badass fight scene, kellhus may have met a swordsmen whose skills match his own."
But no, kellhus isn't some honorable warrior and this isn't A SOLAR. Kellhus flicks dirt into the man's face and cuts his head off. I was literary speechless and slightly angry. Luckily bakker gave us Pokwas and he was awesome.
The indiani Jones scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs
Geoffrobro, but that goes against your argument. Your saying, what I'm assuming, is that her worldview reflects what the Judging Eye sees and wether it's damned or not. You gave examples for why everyone was damned that she sees with the Eye. But, if that's the case, she would be damned also. Her worldview has nothing to do with what the JE shows her.But that's my point, why is she the exception to her own rule.Oh, no, you misunderstood.
I was just wondering who other than Mimara thinks that the chorae are holy.
I'm in the camp that thinks TJE shows the true world, or at the very least shows the true world as it exists for the most powerful/controlling deity that exists in part or in whole in the outside.
I didn't misunderstand you. I was just trying to find a reason why Mimara would see the chorae as holy through the JE, is all. I also assume the JE is the view of the God and shows us the objective morality of Earwa. So Mimara and her worldview and what she's been taught means ABSOLUTELY nothing to what the JE shows her and us.
But we know for a fact chorae aren't holy objects. She sees it as holy bcuz that is what she has been told all her life. Sorcerers are damned cuz she's been told that all her life by Anoini. The people most scared of sorcery. She has been told the Scylvendi are damned bcuz she grew up in the nasurium where they are the meaning of evil. Even though she technically has met the most "holy" person, a man who has a guaranteed spot in the outside. A prince of hell.
This what I thought your argument was for. You say the most holy person she seen is a Prince of Hell. I assumed CnaĆ¼ir or Captain...
No that's not where it falls apart, that's the point. Based on everything she's seen and known she should be damned but for some reason isn't. A pregnant crackhead looks into her reflection and sees she's the only holy person she's met.But we know for a fact chorae aren't holy objects. She sees it as holy bcuz that is what she has been told all her life. Sorcerers are damned cuz she's been told that all her life by Anoini. The people most scared of sorcery. She has been told the Scylvendi are damned bcuz she grew up in the nasurium where they are the meaning of evil. Even though she technically has met the most "holy" person, a man who has a guaranteed spot in the outside. A prince of hell.
Well, you could very well be right and I won't be one to claim I know what's what on Earwa metaphysically. But, if she views a chorae as something empty, a dark pit without the Eye, I'm taking that as her view. Doesn't matter what she's been told, to me. She has her own thoughts. Using your same logic, she is a woman, and also a whore. Which, going by Nansur worldviews are next to Sorcerors as being most damned. She has also been told this her whole life. So, why wouldn't this same hold true when she sees herself with the JE? That's where that falls apart.
Oh, no, you misunderstood.The common man thinks chorae are holy and sacred. Sorcerers know where they came from but during The PON they were commonly referred to as holy trinkets.
I was just wondering who other than Mimara thinks that the chorae are holy.
I'm in the camp that thinks TJE shows the true world, or at the very least shows the true world as it exists for the most powerful/controlling deity that exists in part or in whole in the outside.
At first I thought you guys were talking about THE the concept not the book.
Mimara is a wreak of a person and the irritation to me personally when reading her is like listening to a friend shit in their parents bcuz they couldn't get their way.
In various parts in the series it's hinted that the witness is what makes the crime, not the action. By that logic mimara may be the greatest threat to existence bcuz she see everything to be damned.
And bcuz of her life struggles and her "placement" in life she has been setup to view the world in a Nansur perspective.
Most things she has deemed damned is bcuz of her Nansur heritages ideas. What Nansur God looks from behind her eyes.
Well, she sees herself as holy and we certainly know that isn't how she views herself. What sucks about equating damnation and the JE is all the people that she is around are damned and it's a small sample size of scalpers, wizards and ancient Nonman. Another example would be the chorae. When she sees it through the Eye it is pure and holy. When she looks at it sans Eye, it's a dark pit of a thing (I am obviously paraphrasing). Yes, there is a chance that her worldview effects the Eye. But, as the series goes on, I find it more and more unlikely.