@Wilshire, on Viramsata, yes it's a game played, I understand that. But, what I at least gathered from the Moe convo, is this is exactly what Kellhus did. Everything about Kellhus in PoN is Viramsata, ergo made up. I thought that what was the explanation of the game was for, to show how Moe planned to give Kellhus the Holy War....through Viramsata.