[TUC SPOILERS] Thoughts about the overall story, ending etc

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« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2017, 07:43:04 pm »
Had some time to digest and I had some thoughts too:
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« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2017, 12:28:23 am »
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« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2017, 07:38:39 am »
So, hmm. I've written several times in this thread, but I wanted to do a general review, or rather, just how the book made me feel.

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« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2017, 09:27:57 am »
Read it in a 13hr sprint. Spent a day digesting it, feeling quite ambivalent.

Five stars. Hugely satisfactory resolution for all the exiting characters. Great twists left many metaphysical questions tidied up. Very well self contained.
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« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2017, 02:43:23 pm »
Stole my nephew's computer again momentarily.

I just wanted to mention - some stuff I talked with Odium and Hiro about yesterday - but gauging people's reactions I think there is a load of subtlety that people have missed in TAE. I'm pretty convinced that Bakker found his Voice writing TGO right on time consciousness-style.
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« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2017, 04:09:49 pm »
I'm confused why people think it's the Consult messing around for no reason. Much more likely (for me):

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Repost from other forum, for these pertinent points:
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« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2017, 07:04:49 pm »
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« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2017, 10:28:58 pm »
So, hmm. I've written several times in this thread, but I wanted to do a general review, or rather, just how the book made me feel.

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“The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before?”

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« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2017, 11:21:41 pm »
So, hmm. I've written several times in this thread, but I wanted to do a general review, or rather, just how the book made me feel.

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This might be a bit controversial to say, but...

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« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2017, 11:34:22 pm »
Stole my nephew's computer again momentarily.

I just wanted to mention - some stuff I talked with Odium and Hiro about yesterday - but gauging people's reactions I think there is a load of subtlety that people have missed in TAE. I'm pretty convinced that Bakker found his Voice writing TGO right on time consciousness-style.
Right the momemn stuff is insanely important in this respect. All sorts of subtle cross plot line thematic resonances and foreshadowing are going on. My favorite one being mimara identifying the "will to power" of the dunyain as their greatest sin counterpointed with kelmo learning the LACK of will in the narindar was crucial combined with the revelation that mimara has no darkness coming before as she has no will that manifests her physical Movements into the future (noted by koringhus).

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« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2017, 11:47:26 pm »
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I think there is a load of subtlety that people have missed in TAE

I think there is a fine line between subtlety, obtuseness and actually just unclear writing. The subtle elements are things people will be arguing about for years, but there's also stuff that is just not parsed very well (I get the impression that, with his old editor gone, TGO and TUC suffered from a lack of outside editing by someone really well-versed in the series). The ending of TGO suffered from that but there's a lot of it in TUC as well.

I think the general reaction to TUC is a lot of people impressed with how deep down the well Bakker went, mixed with bafflement at how much stuff they thought would be resolved but wasn't even addressed.

The other main complaint I've seen is that:

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« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2017, 08:39:13 am »
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« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2017, 08:03:53 pm »
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« Reply #73 on: July 09, 2017, 09:14:56 pm »
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« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2017, 11:08:15 pm »
Yeah, can we drop the spoiler tags now? We're like 6 pages into the thread, no-one's coming down this rabbit hole unless they want to get spoiled.

Anyway, interesting theory from Reddit:

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