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This topic contains spoilers up through The White-Luck Warrior.

A buddy and I were talking about the end of White Luck Warrior lately, and we discovered that we'd both jumped to totally different conclusions about who had destroyed the Dunyains monastery.

So what do y'all say?

A: Kellhus
B: The Consult
C: Other?

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C: Batman!

Could be a fake - Kellhus sends a dream through and the Dunyain realise they've gotta go find another evil laboratory to work in.

Given it was ruined rather than obliterated, I'm guessing Consult.

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The map case was broken.  Are these ruins even the monastery they were looking for?

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These may not be the droids they where looking for.


I can't decide who done it myself.

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There was "Doom," though...

I'm still going with the Dunyain did it to themselves - though I like the elegance of Wutteat scorching them as he flies back to his Masters. The world, after all, is not dead.

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The Dunyain did it themselves.  Sort of like burning the ships on the beach... there's no going back.

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It's the Cish.

Feels good to say too.

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There are probably some here that would say it was Moenghus senior, but I am not one of those people.

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I bet on Moe, who guided Kellhus to the safety of Leweth's hut, and destroyed the Dunyain during the 2-3 days that Kellhus was paralyzed, captivated by watching WATER flow in a creek.

I do love the idea that Moe destroyed the Dunyain and established there a colony of Dunyainic Cishaurim.

The roots of Ishual go DEEP, Akka and Mimara will arrive at the mansion of Ishteribinth from Below.

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I do love the idea that Moe destroyed the Dunyain and established there a colony of Dunyainic Cishaurim.

I like that kind of speculation, but wonder how you'd present it narratively without the explanation feeling like a Scooby-Doo reveal.  Although, to be fair, Bakker pulled off that kind of chatter-heavy exposition at the end of TTT by bouncing between POVs, then cycling back to Mo and Kellhus.

Now, remind me why we don't think Moenghus really died?  Something about a Cishaurim face projection?   I'm obviously late to the party.

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I hope they roam the thousand halls beneath, just destroyed it to look like a fake ruins to Consult and anybody.

Hopefully they are there. Anyway who would take on an army of level 0 Dunyain monks who empty handed can stand up to Nonmen of old and win.

Comeon.

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Willem, you should probably spend some time in Moenghus is a lying liar who lies[/b] .

No one knows about the Dunyain capabilities except those who know too much.

Someone stumbling upon them is either asleep or awake.

To be quite honest, I figure the Dunyain set about to make it look like Ishual was destroyed or abandoned right after Kellhus left. Philosopher-King Dunyain are all "Fuck, our seclusion keeps getting busted (all of twice). Now that all Moenghus' buddies commited seppuku, we should make it look like Ishual is abandoned."

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Yeah, they may have figured that the intrusions require the location to be known (granted, perhaps also the specific person, and all those Moe knew went and killed themselves).

Hey, that's a point, the dreams - can you send them to regular folk?

If not, how many of the flipping Dunyain are the few?

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Was thinking the same thing last night, Madness.
There's also the possibility that the dunyain pragma's are playing a much deeper game than anyone realises.

The way the above ground structures have been razed suggests either many seige engines, sorcery or dragons did the job...

I think Akka might find an old dunyain left to feed us some info-crumbs within the below-ground mansion.

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It'd be sick if the unmasking room remains.

Actually baring something unusual like breaking free, they'd probably have starved to death.

But meeting someone without a face in the ruins - seems a likelyhood given the series!