Biblical allusions in TSA

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« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2014, 05:55:49 pm »
Yeah, I'm enjoying my life at the moment, as much as I can. There are better days and worse days, but nothing as bad as 1980s.
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« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2014, 05:48:35 am »
Bakker's No-God/Bible's God parallels:

God answers Job 'out of a whirlwind' and asks Job questions

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038&version=KJV

God leads people out of Egypt as a pillar of cloud

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2013&version=KJV

Mog is perhaps related to Gog+Magog, stuff from Revelation about the final battle

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020&version=KJV

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« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2014, 01:32:28 pm »
Nice. You make me want to actually read the bible again to mine for antecedents :P.
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« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2014, 03:18:46 am »
2 Kings 2:11 has some good Bakker stuff:

Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Flying chariot, ascension, AND a whirlwind!

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Kings+2&version=NKJV

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« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2014, 07:45:24 pm »
The whole passage about God commanding humanity to kill the Nonmen and "burn their chariots, hamstring their horses, water the earth with the blood of the wicked" is pretty obviously inspired by the bloodier parts of the old testament, with God commanding his followers to kill the Amalekites and all that.

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« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2014, 08:46:51 pm »
Wonder if the Whore of Babylon is connected to Esmi?

She is referenced as "the Whore of Sumna" in one of the recap-prologues.
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if Kellhus was thinking all of this, he's going to freak out when he get's back and Kelmomas is all "i lieks to eatum peeples da"

the whole thing is orchestrated by Kellhus who is wearing a Bashrag as if it were a suit

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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2014, 04:46:32 pm »
True, true.

Wanted to cross post this thing from Francis Buck, the Exodus movie trailer looks a lot like war in the Bakkerverse:

http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1379.0

Thinking along those lines, the 7th? plague, the one where the Angel of Death came to kill every firstborn in Egypt except for those homes maked in lambs blood

1) Cnaiur does some similar selecting for a little bit in TWP

2) Possibly similar to the womb plague...

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« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2014, 07:30:24 am »
Responding to the Inchoroi thread made me remember this little nugget.  Noah's ark was thought to have been 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits deep.  Bakker describes in TTT the Inchie Ark as 3000 cubits long, 500 cubits wide and 300 cubits deep.  So, 10 times the dimensions of each, and at least 100 times more awesome.
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« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2014, 10:52:15 pm »
Responding to the Inchoroi thread made me remember this little nugget.  Noah's ark was thought to have been 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits deep.  Bakker describes in TTT the Inchie Ark as 3000 cubits long, 500 cubits wide and 300 cubits deep.  So, 10 times the dimensions of each, and at least 100 times more awesome.

how did i miss this Somna? that's awesome!

i can't remember if this has been brought up before -- thinking about the Mandate something 'though you lose your soul, you gain the world' that's an inversion of Mark 8:36

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%208:36&version=KJV

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« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2014, 01:46:00 pm »
10^3 = 1,000 :P
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« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2014, 09:47:04 am »
This bit in Romans, where Paul seems to be saying something similar to the Bardic priest from the beginning of TDTCB: no law = no sin.

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What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+7%3A7&version=KJV

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« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2015, 08:42:26 pm »
Geo got me thinking about more parallels between TSA yet to be published and Revelations here:
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=813.msg22789#msg22789

Some thoughts:

Revelation 1
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=NIV

- Jesus is "the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth."  Kellhus preaches about witnessing, could be 'born of the dead' in some sense, as in traveling to the Outside and returning.  Obv ruler of rulers.

- Jesus proclaims "“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”"  So here we get something like a self-moving soul.

- Jesus is described as "The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance."  Fits nicely with Bakker's depictions of sorcery

- Jesus claims "I hold the keys of death and Hades."  Yup, he's got the meta-gnosis-daimos.

- When the writer, John, sees Jesus "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead."  Reminds me of Kellhus telling Akka (the writer) that Akka will kneel.


Revelation 2
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202&version=NIV

- Jesus portends to one church that "You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead."  Makes me think of Esmi and kids.


Revelation 4
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%204&version=NIV

- The elders and serafim make me think of nonmen and synthese


Revelation 5
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%205&version=NIV

- Scroll that must be opened --> map to Ishual?


Revelation 6
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206&version=NIV

- opening the scroll brings doom specifically war, famine, and death; all current Earwan probs


Revelation 7
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%207&version=NIV

- 144,000


Revelation 8
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%208&version=NIV

- Big passage that smells of the Ark crashing into Earwa: "The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter."


Revelation 9
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%209&version=NIV

- the Abyss --> the Outside or the Void?

- maybe an Inchoroi parallel: 'locusts' appear an do some general killing and their appearance is macabre "7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer)."

- mabye another Inshoroi origin --> 200,000,000 soldiers show up

- wracu like thingies "17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury."


Revelation 10
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2010&version=NIV

- another scroll

- more depictions that sound like Bakker sorcery "Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion."

- the scroll is given to the writer to eat; it tastes like honey but grows sour in John's stomach an causes John to prophecy;  this feels like what is going to happen to Akka; gets the scroll he desires, finds out something horrible, tells the world


Revelation 12
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=NIV

- includes a dragon and a pregnant woman

- the pregnant woman flees into the wilderness --> Mimara?


Revelation 13
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013&version=NIV

- 1 dragon and 2 beasts

- one description of one of the beasts makes me think of Shauriatus "It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name" but it speaks blashphemy which might fit with Kellhus too.

- this bit reminded me of Kellhus "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?"


Revelations 14
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014&version=NIV

- the 144,000 are back

- there is so much gold in Revelations, Bakker's inspiration for the Inchoroi's fav color?


Revelations 16
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2016&version=NIV

- lots of wrath being poured out, Meppa's water comes to mind

- demons and a dragon


Revelations 17
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017&version=NIV

- lots of good stuff, getting tired of typing


Revelation 19
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019&version=NIV

- Kellhus kicking ass? "11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."


and then there's more stuff but i have to go wash dishes

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« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2015, 09:20:08 pm »
wondering about this...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:1-5

if Bakker took his inspiration from this, it might be that Mimara is the one with the "plank in her eye" --> some kind of grave sin in her that causes her to *believe* that she can accurately judge others

maybe she's got Akka wrong!  maybe he's not going to hell after all!

and a bit from this passage is echoed in Bakker: 1) i think Akka tells Iyokus "if an eye offends thee..." and 2) in relation to Mimara: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018:6-9

so maybe Mimara kind find salvation by getting rid of the Judging Eye?  perhaps equivalent to killing the thing growing in her womb.  i'm calling it, the end of The Unholy Consult:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk2DFMjZF8

shaaaaavvveeeddd head

man, the inchoroi will probably want the little tyke for some gross reason or another

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i wonder if the constant atrocities got boring on the ark, like:

"Hey Bob Inchoroi, I got you a present!"

"Oh great, Carl Inchoroi, I bet it's something you raped."

"Nope!"

"Something you smeared in black semen?"

"Nope, guess again!"

"Something you fused together into an abomination?"

"You got it!"

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« Reply #74 on: October 26, 2015, 05:15:17 am »
Just wanted to say I really enjoy your contributions here MG! Even aside from the interesting parallels, I just like seeing the little tidbits you find.

I really need to read the Bible more often.