The Second Apocalypse
Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The White-Luck Warrior => Topic started by: What Came Before on May 29, 2013, 05:03:56 pm
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So Akka's quest has clearly been infiltrated by both the Consult and Kellhus since the start.
Neither of them are silly enough to ignore a benjuka piece that left the board like he did. Especially a world class stooge like Akka.
Some scenarios;
Skin spies, prone to eavesdropping on him since TDTCB, could have worked out what he was up to pretty early on. Aurang drops by Wutteat and asks to look through his hoard (not taking anything, bro!). Bam. Broken scroll case, Ishual obliterated.
Kellhus has the drop by virtue of spying on Akk's dreams, knows what to look for in the hoard and does a stealthy swap on his way to visit Esme in TJE leaving a map to some other ruins. Or recruited/destroyed the dunyain and obliterated Ishual himself.
Can't wait to find out the real reason for Akka's quest.
Could it be just to season Mim's baby with nonman hero ashes? Quirri might be one of the ingredients in making dunyain superbabies - perhaps the thousand halls are an ash filled mausoleum.
Sorry if this is a bit rambly.
Not enough sleep and the devil's lettuce makin' me crazy speculatin'
Release TUC already!
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Lord's Leaf, please, Curethan...
+1 for speculation. Cannot wait to find out why the Fate/Kellhus/Consult trifecta wants Achamian in the game so bad.
Perhaps, Achamian's due for a transition from grey to white.
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Could it be just to season Mim's baby with nonman hero ashes? Quirri might be one of the ingredients in making dunyain superbabies - perhaps the thousand halls are an ash filled mausoleum.
Release TUC already!
Ishual does mean Exalted Grotto
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Akka has to be on stage, he’s the one who will save the world after all.
Regardless of Kellhus/consult manipulations, the whore will make sure he is in the right place at the right time.
We have Anasûrimbor Celmomas prophecy after all. Where is your faith? :)
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+1, Borric.
The Second Apocalypse is nigh. Faith. Hope.
The Whirlwind consumes all...
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But they can never take our FREEDOM!
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Akka has to be on stage, he’s the one who will save the world after all.
Regardless of Kellhus/consult manipulations, the whore will make sure he is in the right place at the right time.
We have Anasûrimbor Celmomas prophecy after all. Where is your faith? :)
Akka has to be on stage, he’s the one who will end the world after all.
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Akka has to be on stage, he's the avatar of destruction/salvation. Without him, there would be no stooge great enough for the task.
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the difference between Akka and Kellhus. Akka would rather destroy the whole world and with it the human race than to be wrong; Kellhus would rather accept personal damnation than allow the human race to be exterminated.
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Assumptions, lockesnow, I believe.
Achamian has been a man enraged by love's betrayal - he forgives the person of his affections and blames the Dunyain. Is he still that man... Only AE can tell us? Perhaps, Achamian's journey is to let go - I'd be very, very surprised if we didn't see either an inversion of the grey to white or grey to white itself.
Kellhus, on the other hand... Really? That is a bold assertion.
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It's a fair assertion, considering everything Kellhus actually says and does in narrative.
Akka is a doofus. His journey is a descent into further madness and rampant self indulgence. His attitude towards Kellhus is the standard of jilted men, but holding on to that and letting it fester for 20 years? Crazy.
His 'plan' is the worst plan in the history of everything ever.
If Kellhus or something else isn't steering him in such a manner that his quest achieves something then all he is doing is running around the ancient north trying to get himself and everyone around him killed. Ideally, he can find something to discredit Kellhus and ensure that everyone dies when the No-god rises again.
Cleric lasted, what, 4-5000 years before hanging out with Akka made him finally decide it was no longer worth it.
Akka would be rejected as too trashy for Jerry Springer.
But y'know, I think he's pretty cool.
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His 'plan' is the worst plan in the history of everything ever.
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Cleric lasted, what, 4-5000 years before hanging out with Akka made him finally decide it was no longer worth it.
:lol: hilarious! I cant stop laughing, im in tears. Thank you. Seriously that was amazing.
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Well think of it this way, Jesus' resurrection is a copout. it would make sense that 'he died for our sins' if he went to hell voluntarily in the place of everyone else, and from that point onward, noone ever suffered damnation again, whether or not they were of God's chosen people or believed in him or had heard of him.
But we humans need a hero narrative, and Jesus losing just doesn't seem 'right.'
If Kellhus decides to take damnation because his personal soul is worth less than the aggregate of humanity, then that is a hell of a decision, so to speak, a decision Akka would never make. Or compare to Jean Valjean, who decides his personal soul is worth more than the worldly pain and suffering of all his employees and decides to run off to confess in court that they have the wrong man. He's condemning his workers to unbelievable wretchedness, and is okay with that because it is the 'right' thing to do for his personal soul. He even weighs the two against each other and decides the weight rides on his soul being more important than their lives.
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If Kellhus decides to take damnation because his personal soul is worth less than the aggregate of humanity, then that is a hell of a decision, so to speak, a decision Akka would never make.
What? :shock:
Akka already made that decision. All the Mandate sorcerers did. "Though you lose your soul, you gain the World." The whole point of the Mandate ideology is that they voluntarily sacrifice themselves to Hell in order to save the rest of the world by watching for (and hopefully preventing) the return of the No-God.
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If Kellhus decides to take damnation because his personal soul is worth less than the aggregate of humanity, then that is a hell of a decision, so to speak, a decision Akka would never make.
What? :shock:
Akka already made that decision. All the Mandate sorcerers did. "Though you lose your soul, you gain the World." The whole point of the Mandate ideology is that they voluntarily sacrifice themselves to Hell in order to save the rest of the world by watching for (and hopefully preventing) the return of the No-God.
Boom. Roasted.
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Hah, great point.
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And then he reneged on it because the prophesied one dun stealed his wumun.
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Y'know the one he treated like shit for years.
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Real commitment there.
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Ah yes, the whore.
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Lol... relationships are rough.
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it would make sense that 'he died for our sins' if he went to hell voluntarily in the place of everyone else, and from that point onward, noone ever suffered damnation again, whether or not they were of God's chosen people or believed in him or had heard of him.
Isn't that what happened to the Christ figure in the story within a story within a story in NAME OF THE WIND?
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Lol... relationships are rough.
lmao.
Relationships for Akka are REALLY rough. First that slut esmi, and now the World if fucking him, not to mention a little sex on the side with his adopted daughter.
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I wonder if Iyokus used Zioz to possess Achamian. Achamian finding Ishual is part of Iyokus' long term plan to exact the Scarlet Spire's revenge on the Aspect-Emperor. Iyokus is a rare character in that his unique combination of mundane power + arcane power + chanv addiction + blindness + daimos might be the sort of mix to mask his face/voice to the Warrior Prophet. I doubt Kellhus' testing sample for this set is larger than 1. Now that I come to think of it...but that comment goes elsewhere...
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I think the only logical explanation here is that Kellhus destroyed Ishual. Had the Consult found the map, I suspect they wouldn't have just left it there. Like: "Here's the map we've been looking for. Hmm. I now where that is. Let's just leave this map here for the next guy that might need it."
My question is why would Kellhus do this. I would guess that the probability trance led him to believe more Dunyain would find their way into the world and he'd eventually have the same problem he had with his father (ie the Dunyain would eventually side with the Consult). But I can't imagine Akka will find any evidence of this. Maybe some scorch marks on the stone.
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Does the metagnosis have a different mark? I don't think it does.
If it was Kellhus, then any evidence left behind would have to have been planted. So even if they do find some evidence for this or that explanation, it could still be them walking some convoluted conditioned path.
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Does the metagnosis have a different mark? I don't think it does.
If it was Kellhus, then any evidence left behind would have to have been planted. So even if they do find some evidence for this or that explanation, it could still be them walking some convoluted conditioned path.
Agreed.
I don't think the metagnosis would leave a different mark.
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Akka finds, in a courtyard, Seswatha's heart. Grasping it again he has further revelations about the past. Revelations that lead him to the metagnosis and the Great Ordeal.
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Akka finds, in a courtyard, Seswatha's heart. Grasping it again he has further revelations about the past. Revelations that lead him to the metagnosis and the Great Ordeal.
I still feel like Seswatha's Heart is at Attrempus, in fact, it may well be Seswatha's "grave." Note though, that I don't think Seswatha is actually dead, take the name "Tower of Respite" and this definition of respite "grant a delay or extension of time to; reprieve from death or execution."
Indeed, why make the Tower if not to use it? The Mandate don't any more. Why? Because it's function is not yet needed. Not until the SA actually begins.
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Akka finds, in a courtyard, Seswatha's heart. Grasping it again he has further revelations about the past. Revelations that lead him to the metagnosis and the Great Ordeal.
I still feel like Seswatha's Heart is at Attrempus, in fact, it may well be Seswatha's "grave." Note though, that I don't think Seswatha is actually dead, take the name "Tower of Respite" and this definition of respite "grant a delay or extension of time to; reprieve from death or execution."
Indeed, why make the Tower if not to use it? The Mandate don't any more. Why? Because it's function is not yet needed. Not until the SA actually begins.
Why wouldn't his heart be at Atyersus? I don't think I read anything to make me think it's not still in the Mandate stronghold.
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Akka finds, in a courtyard, Seswatha's heart. Grasping it again he has further revelations about the past. Revelations that lead him to the metagnosis and the Great Ordeal.
I still feel like Seswatha's Heart is at Attrempus, in fact, it may well be Seswatha's "grave." Note though, that I don't think Seswatha is actually dead, take the name "Tower of Respite" and this definition of respite "grant a delay or extension of time to; reprieve from death or execution."
Indeed, why make the Tower if not to use it? The Mandate don't any more. Why? Because it's function is not yet needed. Not until the SA actually begins.
Why wouldn't his heart be at Atyersus? I don't think I read anything to make me think it's not still in the Mandate stronghold.
Nothing textual. Totally just a crack-pot theory based off the name and the fact that there has to be some reason for Attrempus to exist.
I mean, we don't know if "grasping the Heart" is actually literal, or figurative, do we? I don't remember.
Even if the heart isn't there, I'm still buying that Attrempus is a "grave" of sorts...
EDIT: Found it:
For his whole life, ever since grasping the withered pouch of Seswatha's heart deep in the bowel of Atyersus, his dreams had possessed meaning... logic, horrifying to be sure, but comprehensible all the same. For his whole life he had awakened with purpose.
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Lol - Blackstone.
The intervening years have driven many of us towards unthinkable speculation ;).
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Lol - Blackstone.
The intervening years have driven many of us towards unthinkable speculation ;).
Ha ha. I find myself straying along lines of bizarre speculation as well.
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@ Wilshire - I hadn't ever thought about the meta-gnosis leaving a different mark. Now I'm wondering if it does but Bakker has been hiding that info from us!
@ H - that's cool about the Tower of Respite! I'm betting Kellhus brought the Heart with him. It's going to be like the Matrix of Power that Optimus Prime pulls from his chest in the Autobots darkest hour.
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@ H - that's cool about the Tower of Respite! I'm betting Kellhus brought the Heart with him. It's going to be like the Matrix of Power that Optimus Prime pulls from his chest in the Autobots darkest hour.
Hot Rod did it, turning into Rodimus Prime. This will be Akka at the end of TUC.
Unicron is a bit like inside the Inchi space ship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ByNT12IYbY
or maybe Sarl with Kosoter's head.
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Oh no you've got me started on my favourite movie.
Here is the fall of the inchies, what really happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0kKjMWgyIM
The scene at the end of TWP where Cnaiur rescues Kellhus (Me Grimlock have many scars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQQ4zREpPmk
non-man tutelage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoEJpK4pY2U
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lol merchant