The Second Apocalypse
Earwa => General Earwa => Topic started by: Wilshire on February 05, 2014, 08:39:47 pm
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A friend gave me this link:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/SecondApocalypse?from=Main.SecondApocalypse
I'm not particularly familiar with this site but someone made a page about TSA so I figured I'd post it here.
It splits up the characters of the second apocalypse into common idioms of books and television. There are multiple tabs up at the top to help you navigate to what you want to see.
For example (under Kellhus):
Übermensch: All of the Dunyain are basically Nietzschean superhumans, but especially Kellhus.
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I take occasional dips into TVtropes for the hell of it, and I was actually pretty damn surprised when TSA was on there, and with relative detail as well. It's funny because I wasn't even looking for TSA specifically, I stumbled upon it through some other page. I always wonder who does this stuff? You'd think the person that would much that effort into a TVtropes page for TSA would be a part of this forum. Then again, maybe they are and just don't want to reveal it or something?
Interesting either way.
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I always feel that way when I run into TSA related things on the interweb. I always feel like I should have seen it already... Though the reality is I don't go anywhere else trying to find TSA stuff other than here, so I'm probably less likely to see anything that is out there.
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Lol +1, you two.
I have wasted far, far too many hours on TVTropes. There is just something novel about the perspectives there.
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It'd be really funny if it was Bakker sending this stuff into TV Tropes.
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Sounds like something he'd do ;)
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SecondApocalypse
Just wanted to announce that this past weekend I completely overhauled the Character tab for the TSA page of this. Planning on chugging along filling out plenty of blind spots. If anyone has any panache for tvtropes, please brainstorm for me. Have plenty of ideas myself.
I want to say that the first thing I did was spend about two hours making sure every "Anasurimbor", "Cnaiur" and "Moenghus" had the correct diacritical marks.
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Lmao.
I almost got sucked in there, HP. I opened up Drusas Achamian and before I had made it through his tab I had three new links... Jeepers.
Also, what is it you are proposing? I'm simple-minded and need explicit instructions.
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The original layout had only three folders: "Characters introduced in the first trilogy", "Characters introduced in the second trilogy", and "The Consult."
That seemed super vague and just plain ol' not good, so I completely restructured it to what it is now. I added about... 50 characters... and about 9 folders...
I was working on the "Cunoroi" and "Figures of the First Apocalypse" folders yesterday. Those two are brand new—you can see my labors there. Just want to know if anyone is more familiar with the jargon of tvtropes than myself, or have any familiarity, I want to flesh out all these character folders.
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From what I remember there were a lot of misunderstandings and outright fan-theories masquerading as official canon there. How's it faring now?
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Nothing that I've seen looks noncanon... The user CaptainCrawdad has been the only person editing this page for the past two years or so. Except for myself the past week.
I have not seen anything egregious, but it may be passing me by.
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It was about 3 years ago last I looked I think.
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I was working on the "Cunoroi" and "Figures of the First Apocalypse" folders yesterday. Those two are brand new—you can see my labors there. Just want to know if anyone is more familiar with the jargon of tvtropes than myself, or have any familiarity, I want to flesh out all these character folders.
I wish. It's a language of its own.
Though, I can do what you're doing to some extent. Maybe I'll get better at TVTropes (I hadn't actually realized that it's publicly edited).
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Did something similar, though not as extensive, with wikiquotes. All efforts are greatly appreciate to the Bakker Noosphere, even if no one else says so :D. Thanks!
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Alrighty, was working on "Nansur Empire", "Lords of the Holy War", and "Kian and servants of Fane" all yesterday. About 27 characters included and the original page only had 4: Xerius, Conphas, Saubon and Proyas. There wasn't a character entry for Maithanet or Athjeari for Sejenus's sake!
What I could really use is maybe some feedback? Have people read over the character tropes and let me know what they think. This is a work in progress.
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Did Anaxophus die during the Indigo Plague? I could've sworn that was the case and I'm trying to find a citation but I can't find anything.
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Could someone give me Serwe's full name please? It's literally only mentioned once in the the entirety of the series but I want it for the Character page. It's like Serwe te Keyalt, but I know that's not 100% right.
Don't have an e-book to just search this stuff and it isn't on the wikia. Someone help me out plz. Also the Anaxophus question.
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HP, I searched the first trilogy and this is all I found, Serwë, daughter of Ingaera. There could be something other than that but I couldn't find it, sorry.
ETA: Oops, sorry, I searched TJE instead of TWP. Here you go, Serwë hil Keyalti.
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Excellent! Thank you. You're Michael Seswatha Jordan on Westeros, right?
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Yep, you're welcome.
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HP, I searched the first trilogy and this is all I found, Serwë, daughter of Ingaera. There could be something other than that but I couldn't find it, sorry.
ETA: Oops, sorry, I searched TJE instead of TWP. Here you go, Serwë hil Keyalti.
But doesn't that break the custom of listing your house/last name first? ()Like Ikurei Conphas or Anasurimbur Kellhus) Or is that a practice that is limited to the big name houses?
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The Cepalorans seem to have a different naming convention than most Three Seas nations, more like that of the Scylvendi. Serwë hil Keyalti and Sibawul te Nurwul are both Cepaloran, and their names appear to follow the same pattern.
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If 'te' is "son of", does that mean that 'hil' is "daugher of" maybe? If Serwe's father is Ingaera. Or maybe Nymbricani and Cepalorae have slight differences.
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What would you guys call a polity specific name of Kian? The Kingdom of Conriya. The Nansur Empire. The Nilu Confederacy. The Padirajate of Kian? I don't know. Is there something specific for that in the books?
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Also, I'm just dumping random shit in this thread for a second opinion. Skauras's epithet is "Sutis Sutadra" by the Nansur—the Southern Jackal. Sutadra is the Fanim heretic in the Skin Eaters—the Jackal. It's probably an assumed name. But is "sutadra" Sheyic or Kiani? If the Nansur were to name an enemy that was intradiegetically different than english=sheyic would it be High Sheyic then? But then why would a Fanim heretic give himself a pseudonym in Sheyic and not Kiani?
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Also, I'm just dumping random shit in this thread for a second opinion. Skauras's epithet is "Sutis Sutadra" by the Nansur—the Southern Jackal. Sutadra is the Fanim heretic in the Skin Eaters—the Jackal. It's probably an assumed name. But is "sutadra" Sheyic or Kiani? If the Nansur were to name an enemy that was intradiegetically different than english=sheyic would it be High Sheyic then? But then why would a Fanim heretic give himself a pseudonym in Sheyic and not Kiani?
Because he was in the company of those speaking Sheyic?
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What would you guys call a polity specific name of Kian? The Kingdom of Conriya. The Nansur Empire. The Nilu Confederacy. The Padirajate of Kian? I don't know. Is there something specific for that in the books?
Nation of Kian, I believe.
Also, I'm just dumping random shit in this thread for a second opinion. Skauras's epithet is "Sutis Sutadra" by the Nansur—the Southern Jackal. Sutadra is the Fanim heretic in the Skin Eaters—the Jackal. It's probably an assumed name. But is "sutadra" Sheyic or Kiani? If the Nansur were to name an enemy that was intradiegetically different than english=sheyic would it be High Sheyic then? But then why would a Fanim heretic give himself a pseudonym in Sheyic and not Kiani?
At the beginning of TTT Glossary, it suggests that everything we read is rendered in "Sheyic" as Drusas Achamian would have known the names, or some such.
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I think they just called it an Empire most of the time, RE: Kian. It seems pretty synonymous. I don't think there was much time where Kianene simply referred to Kian vs. when they conquered a ton of former Nansur territory.
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Kingdom of Kain alliterates nicely :P , though I think Empire is probably the most apt description, except that I don't think they have an emperor, they have a Padiraja who is also a religious leader. How do we refer to the Vatican in this context?
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Padiraja just seems like a quasi-Hindu version of the old Ottoman title Padishah (which is a combination of Turkish and Persian IIRC). Really, the closest translation is Emperor I think. In this case perhaps they're taking inspiration from nearby Nilnamesh? Nilnamesh has Satraps at least, IIRC. Might have other Persian titles too.
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Isn't there a reference to
Padishah Emperor )( oops, wrong universe) somewhere within TSA? Maybe I just made that up, but it sounds familiar for some reason.
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Padishah Emperor is from Dune.
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Padishah Emperor is from Dune.
lmao, shit, wrong universe entirely.