The Second Apocalypse

Earwa => General Earwa => Topic started by: Inraus Ghost on January 28, 2014, 02:09:03 pm

Title: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Inraus Ghost on January 28, 2014, 02:09:03 pm
I'm curious about what, if any actions the consult have taken against the rest of the continent. Probably not something that will ever get covered but still.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Wilshire on January 28, 2014, 03:33:36 pm
Well Earwa is a pretty enormous continent, so its possible there just isn't much land mass left for people to live on. Remember that the 4 of the 5 tribes of men all came over from Eanna, so there wasn't much left on that side. My guess if that they are totally enslaved by the Inchoroi at this point, and they might even be the 144k that they hope to leave alive. That way they can just exterminate everyone west of the mountains and not have to worry about killing too many.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Inraus Ghost on January 28, 2014, 07:51:24 pm
The Xiuhianni had 2000 years to repopulate Eanna before the FA. With only themselves (as far as we know) to contend with for space and resources. So I think, baring major catastrophe, they could fill the empty space pretty well. But I doubt the consult has been licking their wounds for the whole 2000 since. And as the  Xiuhianni lack nonmen allies and the gnosis that's kinda what I expect as well. It'd be nice to know tho.  ;)
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Wilshire on January 28, 2014, 08:04:40 pm
Could be that the Xiuhianni (taking your word for it that this is the right tribe) stayed behind becase the where the weakest and dumbest. 2000 might not have been nearly enough time for them to do much mroe than  sharpen stones.
Look at whatever tribe was in TWP, at the end that the Aurang (or Aurax?) torture. They have been isolated for, arguable, 2000+ years and they seemed to not be much farther ahead of the sranc as far as technology goes.

Maybe the Consult will have an army of Humans fighting for them, being bred for thousands of years in the wasted north or in Eanna for fighting prowess.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Duskweaver on January 28, 2014, 09:18:07 pm
It's been suggested (by Madness, IIRC) that the Xiuhianni stayed east of the Kayarsus because agents of the Inchoroi (masquerading as gods) told them to. It has further been suggested that they might have been instructed to limit their population. Basically just speculation, of course, but... *shrug* ;)
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Wilshire on January 28, 2014, 10:08:29 pm
I'd say most eventualities have been mentioned somewhere on this forum. No harm is reviving them :)
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Madness on January 28, 2014, 10:17:28 pm
It's been suggested (by Madness, IIRC) that the Xiuhianni stayed east of the Kayarsus because agents of the Inchoroi (masquerading as gods) told them to.

Thank you, I was on my down to paraphrase myself ;). Except I think it was one of the Inchoroi, not agents of (if you were denoting, say Nonmen or something).

It has further been suggested that they might have been instructed to limit their population. Basically just speculation, of course, but... *shrug* ;)

This one is not me. I think, they've a thriving culture of Inchoroi-worship going on hurr.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Duskweaver on January 29, 2014, 10:02:20 am
Except I think it was one of the Inchoroi, not agents of (if you were denoting, say Nonmen or something).
Yeah, I phrased that post very badly. 'Agents' was referring to the 'prophets' the Inchoroi (presumably) communicated with directly. The bit in parentheses was meant to refer only to the Inchies themselves, not the said 'agents'/'prophets'. Inchie reveals itself to some loony, declares him a 'prophet' and gets him to pass on the 'Divine Mandate' to the rest of his Tribe, sort of thing?

Unless your suggestion is that the Inchoroi actually appeared to the Tribe as a whole rather than working through individual 'prophets'? But that seems to be against their MO as indicated by the Angeshrael encounter.

:-\
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Madness on January 29, 2014, 12:42:16 pm
Inchie reveals itself to some loony, declares him a 'prophet' and gets him to pass on the 'Divine Mandate' to the rest of his Tribe, sort of thing?

Unless your suggestion is that the Inchoroi actually appeared to the Tribe as a whole rather than working through individual 'prophets'? But that seems to be against their MO as indicated by the Angeshrael encounter.

:-\

+1 the bold.

Unless... the Inchoroi are the Gods entire. Then yes. But until now it never occurred to me to think that.

The Inchoroi could be the whole, or majority, of the Kunniat pantheon. Or they could have affected metaphysical protocol #57 and wrote beings into the Outside.

Otherwise, the Inchoroi truly did interact with the World when real beings that are the Gods walked Eanna...

Which seems fucking strange, actually.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 13, 2014, 03:21:00 am
I'm torn about Eanna.  I want it to be important, but I also suspect that it just represents a limit on the main Earwa story.  Eanna exists just to give Earwa a border.  If Eanna wasn't there, we'd be curious about whatever was the farthest of far. 
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Madness on March 13, 2014, 10:23:56 am
But what about the Xiuhanni, MG?
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 13, 2014, 10:38:18 am
I want them to be something cool, but I fear they are another 'border'.  If we knew too much about them, we'd go looking for a 6th and 7th tribes that migrated north, east, and south of Eanna.  An over the western sea!

I'm thinking of this interview:

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Q: Being as meticulous as you are, have you ever drawn a "world map" of the areas that are outside the ones already depicted?

A: I’m not sure ‘meticulous’ is a word that I have any right to. Any rigour in my worldbuilding is simply the product of having lived with (and in) Earwa for so long. I’ve actually resisted mapping out the entire globe over the years. Ideas for alternate civilizations seem to crop up like mushrooms in my imagination, and the temptation is to make good on them by giving them a ‘place.’

But way back, I wrote this paper on the difference between ancient and modern roads (in the context of a philosopher named Levinas). The signature conceptual difference, I argued, was the way modern roads enclose the globe, the way civilization, in a sense, never runs out for us the way it did for the ancients. At the time I decided the best way to remain true to the ancient headspace I was trying to conjure was to make sure all the roads in Earwa run out, to make the terra incognita in my world absolute.

But this isn’t to say that surprises haven’t been painted across the horizon.

http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/2011/06/new-r-scott-bakker-interview-part-1.html

It is strange to me that there are 5 tribes before they enter Earwe.  In Earwe, they all live somewhat spaced apart, but in Eanna they lived close enough together for 4 to cross and 1 to refuse to cross in migrations.  I suppose there doesn't have to be a problem there, but it kind of looks like some really selective breeding in close quarters--like a Dunyain thing.

We need a Romeo and Juliet story about a Scylvendi and a Ketyai falling in love during a migration.  They die together, leaping off a precipice into a roiling mass of sranc.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Madness on March 13, 2014, 02:08:05 pm
Lol.

But why didn't the Xiuhanni come along? And there aren't ever mentioned a sixth or seventh tribe :P.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 13, 2014, 04:04:22 pm
Lol.

But why didn't the Xiuhanni come along? And there aren't ever mentioned a sixth or seventh tribe :P.

I know!  I want to know about them, but I wonder if Bakker told us much, then we would clamor for more more more and he would have to invent more tribes as a human border.  :S
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 13, 2014, 09:56:21 pm
I don't suppose that the 5th tribe still has shaman?  Damnation of sorcery came from some kind of development post breaking of the gates?

They are such a wild card: could have as many people/schools as the Ketyai, could be as warlike as the Scylvendi.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Wilshire on March 13, 2014, 10:15:14 pm
Maybe the the 4 tribes where tutored by the nonmen, and the 1 tribe by the Inchoroi. Maybe they are now a super race of post-humans, genetically enhanced and modified, wielding the tekne like their own magic.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Madness on March 14, 2014, 10:59:10 am
the 1 tribe by the Inchoroi.

+1
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 15, 2014, 05:55:42 pm
Maybe the the 4 tribes where tutored by the nonmen, and the 1 tribe by the Inchoroi. Maybe they are now a super race of post-humans, genetically enhanced and modified, wielding the tekne like their own magic.

Or Wutteat!

Maybe a whole other Ark landed over there.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 18, 2014, 12:24:41 pm
Missed this the first time through:

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A sadness welled through the old Wizard as he walked and peered, a mourning that possessed the airy clutch of premonition.  There was poetry in loss and ruin, a wisdom that even children and idiots understood.  For a time he suffered the eerie sense that he walked one of the great capitals of the Three Seas, that these were the ruins of Momemn, Carythusal, or Invishi, and they were the Last Men, thirteen instead of the one hundred and forty-four thousand of legend, and that no matter how far they travelled, how many horizons they outran, all they would find was soot and broken stone.

WLW, p 187, US edition, about 3/4 the way through chapter 6.

So, I guess I was only thinking of the 144k in terms of Inchoroi terms.  So the 144k is know to Achamian and to who else, the Mandate, scholars, everyone?  I guess that the prophecy (is that the right word?) would have come to humanity via the Consult.  Would be really strange to have the same prophecy show up independently in human and Inchoroi cultures.

EDIT: added the bold
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Wilshire on March 19, 2014, 02:26:57 pm
So much like the Bene Geserit
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Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 19, 2014, 04:44:25 pm
So much like the Bene Geserit
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Lordy!  That's one hell of a parallel!  Now we need an Atrocity Tale about those ancient agents.  Would it be something like skin spies and then the tech was lost then regained recently?
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Madness on March 20, 2014, 10:17:50 am
Well, this straight up happened with the Inchoroi during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars, MG.

At least one of the Inchoroi pretended to appear as a God to the Five Tribes of Eanna before the Breaking of the Gates.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 20, 2014, 10:35:20 am
Well, this straight up happened with the Inchoroi during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars, MG.

At least one of the Inchoroi pretended to appear as a God to the Five Tribes of Eanna before the Breaking of the Gates.

Oh yeah--I was thinking pre-ark fall.  I hope it is revealed exactly how the Inchoroi deliver the Tusk to the 5 tribes because I could see it playing out in a lot of different ways.  Also, how/why the Ketyai are chosen to keep it.

TWIST: The Inchoroi scouted Earwa long before the fall and saw that the nonmen were too strong to overcome, so they set about using the teckne to create the one thing that would eventually see all nonmen dead: HUMANS
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Wilshire on March 20, 2014, 04:02:59 pm
Making Humans simply a weapon race gone rogue, based off the Emwama as a template.
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: mrganondorf on March 20, 2014, 04:26:31 pm
Every last one born with a hard wired soul delusion!
Title: Re: Eanna and the 144k
Post by: Wilshire on March 27, 2014, 12:48:17 pm
Maybe thats what went wrong, they humans started spontaneously growing souls and they couldn't control them all.