But have you ever noticed that Serwe becomes Kellhus' proof as well? She's his proof that he is a God.
Everyone knows that Cnaiur uses Serwe as his prize, his proof. His proof that he is Scylvendi. His proof that he is heterosexual.
Like science, it takes skill and rigorous training to see and understand the physical, on the other hand perhaps it takes instinct and intuition to understand the metaphysical.
If the latter is the case, then Serwe was the first to grasp the Metaphysical-equivalent-of-The-Logos.
I'd say the Holy War in PoN where not all that Holy. Maybe his proof for another war that Kellhus claims is Holy later on though.
I'd say the Holy War in PoN where not all that Holy. Maybe his proof for another war that Kellhus claims is Holy later on though.
I'd say the Drusas Achamian in PoN was not all that Drusas.
Sorry didn't get that :-\
QuoteEveryone knows that Cnaiur uses Serwe as his prize, his proof. His proof that he is Scylvendi. His proof that he is heterosexual.
I always thought Cnaiur's "homosexuality" was overblown. He is attracted to one man (Papa Moe) or arguably two (also Kellhus, who is apparently shockingly like Moe in appearence) in a lifetime, in which he otherwise finds time to rape innumerable women (all presumably attractive) and marry IIRC four wives, one of which, Anissi, he is repeatedly stated to genuinely love enough to reveal his shame too. That sounds less like a homosexual than a man who was sweet-talked into buttsex he wouldn't have otherwise been interested in while still a vulnerable adolescent.
And yes, he is mad but that act otherwise cuts against the grain of his madness. Or my perception of it anyway.
Sorry that was a poorly phrased attempt to preemptively deflect any attempts to use his "madness" as an explanation for Conphas. My preception of him was the need to not be a faggot/weeper, to measure up to his people standards, was the driving force of it. Forced buttsex like the filthy Nansur dogs, not likely.And yes, he is mad but that act otherwise cuts against the grain of his madness. Or my perception of it anyway.
It was all gravy until now.
I'm not sure I grok this - I liked how themerchant put it in the favorite scenes thread.
That said, Cnaiur is batshit and in this particular instance I think the raw violence and degradation of the act was the biggest part of it. I'd say it was composed of 60% raw "I AM THE MOST VIOLENT OF MEN", 30% "The Steppe is trackless" where it's just a means of breaking him and there are no taboos, and a slim 10% "Y'know, that dude's actually kinda hot."
Has anyone else noticed a trend of people assuming that bisexuals don't exist? Usually when a character like this turns up I see more than half the people concluding that they're gay and that any heterosexual act is just denial, an attempt to hide their real orientation, or just them trying to meet society's expectations; rather than the simpler explanation of the person just being sexually attracted to both genders.
That's been an issue all the way back to the Ancients
Has anyone else noticed a trend of people assuming that bisexuals don't exist? Usually when a character like this turns up I see more than half the people concluding that they're gay and that any heterosexual act is just denial, an attempt to hide their real orientation, or just them trying to meet society's expectations; rather than the simpler explanation of the person just being sexually attracted to both genders.
You made me think of more from the books. I think Akka had a male lover when he was in school.
If i remember right.
It was an affair that happened when both were students.
Especially not with Proyas, who was after all a royal son - and a very religious one to boot.
The Grandmaster’s lips tightened into a sour line. “Clever man. Clever little man. Tell me, Drusas Achamian, how is it that after all these years you still find yourself in the field, hmm? Did you offend someone? Nautzera, perhaps? Or did you bugger Proyas as a boy? Is that why House Nersei sent you packing those years ago?”Achamian likes to think he was dismissed because he spoke a heresy, an interesting thought for a person whose very presence is an offense against god. If House Nersei was willing to overlook the fact of Achamian being a sorcerer, they'd probably overlook the thing Achamian likes to think of himself as getting fired for.
Achamian was speechless. They had researched him,
Bakker, R. Scott (2008-09-02). The Darkness that Comes Before (The Prince of Nothing) (p. 490). Penguin Group. Kindle Edition.
Also, I don't think it is right of the reader to 'excuse' Cnaiur's rape of Proyas. Cnaiur is definitely attracted to men, heck he has a scene in the Warrior prophet where he masturbates to thoughts of Proyas.
Also, I don't think it is right of the reader to 'excuse' Cnaiur's rape of Conphas.Fixed that for myself, clearly a typo. I don't think Proyas was raped, other than whatever skeevyness of power dynamics/age dynamics. It's not like Earwa has age of consent laws, it's more like ancient times where you have your bar mitzvah and now you're an adult, no teenagers. if we were to assess it by today's standards their relationship would be statutory rape, of course.
And he thought of Proyas.
On the worst nights he hugged himself in the blackness of his tent, screaming and sobbing. He beat the earth with his fists, stabbed holes with his knife, then fucked them. He cursed the world. He cursed the heavens. He cursed Anasûrimbor Moënghus and his monstrous son.
Bakker, R. Scott (2008-09-02). The Warrior Prophet: The Prince of Nothing, Book Two (Kindle Locations 5799-5802). Penguin Group. Kindle Edition.
If i remember right.
It was an affair that happened when both were students.
You mean between Sancla and Achamian?
I personally think this is the only instance of homosexuality by Achamian.
Some parts of the Three Seas don't seem to even have a taboo against homosexuality. Aren't the Ainoni fine with it? I think the Scylvendi were the main ones that thought it was immoral, or at least a sign of weakness.
Has anyone else noticed a trend of people assuming that bisexuals don't exist? Usually when a character like this turns up I see more than half the people concluding that they're gay and that any heterosexual act is just denial, an attempt to hide their real orientation, or just them trying to meet society's expectations; rather than the simpler explanation of the person just being sexually attracted to both genders.
lmao I'm not so sure "stabbing holes in the ground and fucking them" is a subtle hint for masturbation. I probably just read that wrong, again, but it was pretty funny when I read it.