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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus a student of the Aporos?
« on: January 24, 2015, 12:33:52 am »
Wilshire, it seems we have a defining quote: "The Gnosis is simply what the Anagogis could be if the proper conceptual leaps were made" - which states an evolutionary link between two magical paradigms. All we need to consider is a factor of a nonmen participation, a true reason of that short "if".
Maybe, nonmen tutelage was just a time-saver which gave halaroi a new branch of sorcery a few thousand years earlier. Maybe, nonman's cognition is truly alien and acts as an essential ingredient, so halaroi by itself are limited to the forms of anagogic sorcery and, if they are too lucky, they can comprehend and repeat some gnostic explanations of Gin'Yursis.
First variant states for Kellhus ability to reinvent Aporos on the fly, because he was clearly making scientific breakthroughs while just listening to Akka's teachings abouth common math, logic etc. Second variant states for a bridge where even Aspect Emperor shall not pass. No halaroi allowed, lol, even if they are tweaked ones!
As for myself the second options looks more real. Two thousand years passed but there is no big signs that "conceptual leaps" could be made through pure human efforts. And we're talking abouth Scarlet Spires here. About few-hundred-year-old-mageocracy with tremendous intellectual power, who knows the overall direction of research.
So I can only guess what halaroi lack to invent gnosis and/or aporos by themselves. After all, cunuroi were a long-living specie with a lifespan about 400 years even before the inchoroi. Maybe it's just a difficulty of culture transmission & accumulation? One mortal cunuroi philosopher is equal to a sequence of 5-10 mortal halaroi adepts of a certain philosophic school, who will have to study their predecessors reflections and to live under a constant chance of extinction even before making their first worthwhile discoveries. Cunuroi is just a better basket for knowledge. :c

A second thought. Do they use aporos to make anarcane grounds or it's a meta-aporetic level of intervention? The most famous anarcane is Athrithau, located on the far north and near Ishterebinth. A former cunuroi lab, abandoned after ban on the Aporos?

A third thought. They should have some apotetics or meta-aporetics nerds in Min-Uroikas for anarcane is the opposite of topos. And it's generally a bad idea to be horribly damned and at the same time to live right somethere, where curious ciphrangs can just pop out of the thin air and grab your ancient consulty ass.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Side Effects of Eating Sranc
« on: January 23, 2015, 10:46:23 pm »
If we compare earwan ground with an organism and inchoroi landing with a disease, eating sranc could be a vaccination in so many ways — from the pure metaphysical to the very mundane. And of course only Akkeägni knows how tempting it is to use word "graft" instead of "vaccine" here. 

My favourite guess now is Kellhus who prepares his people for the atrocities of Golgottherath by cajoling them to dabble in the similar atrocities (lest they all go mad through more sudden and unfriendly familiarization).

Also a side thought. Do we clearly know that the Womb Plague was gender WMD? Considering the unceasing badassness of our pale giants, it could be the weakest who actually died (all nonwomen, all nonchildren, all nonoldmen & all faint nonmen). So as a second guess Kellhus culls the weak, sharpening his ordeal with improvised methods.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Sorcerous Artifacts
« on: December 19, 2014, 08:13:36 pm »
The no god was destroyed by the heron spear
Actually, as a consult fanboy, I hope that No-God was not destroyed, but launched. Like the carapace was less a body or an armor and more a mobile launching pad or a sort of metaphysical egg. That's why there is no "first" or "second" apocalypse, there is just apocalypse and it's purely successfull phases. >:з

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Elju for Consult Erratics
« on: December 19, 2014, 07:48:12 pm »
Crackpot time! With special love for procrastinators!

(sorry for ads style and far-fetching, btw
for the first - I just couln't resist playing a consult enlister
for the second - trying to tie all things together is my weakness)

1. Human conciousness is interruptable, so when they go to sleep, they actually die and cease to be. Once awoken, it's a new person rebuilt from most "important" memories and it have a day or so to collect new memories, to reassign memory importance and to die again. That's why people hate their lives and have difficulty of changing them, that's why despising someone in evening rarely survives after morning. The whole "identity" is too self-smoothed to produce something really new, changing, important! But that's exactly what makes people a perfect garden for gods to grow souls (ppl are complex enough to sin and to be punished for sinnery, but are also too weak to achieve salvation or to rebel higher beings).

2. Inverse Fire can fix that ugly flaw! Sleep begone! You conciousness will never be interrupted again, so there is no need to rebuild it. Your personal measure of "darkness that came before" will decrease, though won't be terminated entirely. Morning will not melt your evening thoughts and plans never ever again. That will make you a monster in people eyes, and will make them trivial teknes in yours. You will fight the gods and the reality itself (these are the same thing, btw). Though you lose the world, you shall win your soul.

3. Nonmen are men whose rebuilding is, let's just say, especially complicated. Inverse Fire can fix that too! Over time you will became much more... intact, dear cunoroi, because morning will not shatter your evening identity under your memory weight. Through centuries you will finally recollect yourselves, you will remember forever and you will never forget.

So, what was I sneaking up to?

A) All intacts are consult products. They are mentally "healed" by the same plot device (tekne stuff) which "broke" them at the first place. They are like Kellhus to dûnyain, something greater & something new, pure badass & dangerous.
B) The whole "erraticism" of consult nonmen is a matter of human perspective (f.e. Sorweel's), who just can't differentiate between sane nonman with evolved psyche and insane nonman with haywire psyche.
C) There is no eljus in Golgottherat or Ishterebinth for they are obsolete now. Nil'Giccas was not only the last king of the nonmen, but one of the last erratics as well. >:з

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Nonmen Society
« on: November 28, 2014, 09:20:10 pm »
to make them more like Tolkien's elves
... and now I can't help but compare dunyain & mangaecca with numenorians.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Sorcerous Artifacts
« on: November 28, 2014, 09:11:35 pm »
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As far I can tell, we saw that technology in field action:
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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Elju for Consult Erratics
« on: November 26, 2014, 10:15:14 pm »
If Erratics need elju to keep them tethered to the present, then who is filling this role for the Nonmen in the Legion?
A fellow Nonmen. :3

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Nonmen Society
« on: November 20, 2014, 03:19:22 pm »
It kinda makes sense that to most people, Nonmen would look pretty similar, particularly with the lack of hair.
Actually I've supposed their lack of hair, perfect skin, awesome build and lifespan to be byproducts of grafting made by Ihcnoroi. Like, they are all the same perfect Nonman now, all have the most powerful combination of genes possible for their specie, so there literally is no more place for diversity in their personal biology.

Blame these dudes mostly, lol.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Nonmen Society
« on: November 11, 2014, 02:32:39 pm »
What would make it impossible for them to see paintings? Can they read writing, then? I can't think of any reason why anything with sight wouldn't be able to "see" paintings.
As far as I remember, percieving a flat illusion of a volume is a trainable skill, it's not inherent even to the people. Where most of current human population get this through early childhood (along with zero language, walking and other base stuff for a tiny drunk adult), there were tribes of primitive people found only in 20th century who lived with a very scarce material culture. That certain circumstance prevent them from both creating such illusions and training in recognising them. It seems a window of opportunity here is quite wide, because even adults developed that skill with a help of a pictures brought with explorers.

And we know cunuroi & halaroi have some deep diffirence in perception. Like, cunuroi look exact the same to halaroi, but manage to differentiate between themselves with no problem. I hope that wasn't a "all europeans look the same to asian et vice versa"-joke thrown in by Bakker. Though it would make a damn good dark humour in context of nonmen memory difficulties.

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General Earwa / Re: Crazy Ass Speculation Thread
« on: November 09, 2014, 08:04:17 pm »
1. The Inchoroi Arc is a space vessel as least, but as most — both a crashed time mashine and a failed self-moving soul from the future, both a No-God prototype and a No-God MK2. Like, mastery over time itself is a required achievement in perceiving what comes before everything.
2.  Would be funny if the Arc is also time-looped entity an was built from it's own lifeless carcass. That explains why Earwa is a promised land — in the end Inchoroi led their dying ship back to the shipyard.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: The Depths of Golgotterath?
« on: August 04, 2014, 10:15:27 am »
Are we all in agreement we expect it to be the worst Topos in Earwa? The mostly thinly seperated place from the Outside?
My mood is rather consulty & unholy, so please let me suspect Min-Uroikas will fade against the background of Kellhus' Ordeal. Just imagine a moving topos, planned by dunyain & fueled by devoted zealots, going right into the outskirts of hell. A big torpedo for a big ship.

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General Earwa / Re: Dunyain as possible runaway weapon race.
« on: August 04, 2014, 09:53:00 am »
I'd direct you to this thread, as a shameless plug of my efforts to explain how the dunyain survived 2000 years without inbreeding:
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=993.msg8263#msg8263
Aw, thanks, that's yummy. Also makes you a pragma of demography.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Nostol and Gin'yursis
« on: July 29, 2014, 06:43:28 am »
Erm, Gin'yursis was the king of Cil'Aujis, located to the north of the Kyranean empire.
Nil'giccas (aka Cleric) is referred to as the greatest of the Siqu by Akka.  According to all the info we have, the non-men of Ishterberinth probably conducted the tutelage among the Norasai pretty much exclusively.
Aw! Good point, but I was mostly referring to this:
Sos-Praniura was a Gnostic sorcerer, the greatest student of Gin'yursis. In 684, Sos-Praniura founded the Mangaecca, the School which would later become the Consult

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Nostol and Gin'yursis
« on: July 28, 2014, 01:43:08 pm »
If the Great Ordeal is a vehicle to move sorcerers to Golgotterath, then humanity would be plain fucked if Gin'yursis hadn't initiated the sorcerous tutelage.  Was Gin playing the long con against the Inchoroi?
It seems possible that the tutelae could have been a contingency plan by some of the longer sighted nonmen to insure the Inchoroi did not win after the might of the Nonman waned.
Ahem.

As far as I remember, nonmen destroyed Inchoroi and sealed their Arc so tigh that even powerful Quya like Mekeretrig was unable to unlock it (btw, always thought inchoroi twin-brothers were not lucky stowaway survivors but a living component of a nonmen glamour spell; it somehow fits with Arc immunity to magic and brothers ability to use sorcery). So nonmen have nothing to worry at all — and mostly because it was their pride what fueled them in Cuno-Inchoroi war, not some noble care for the world's safety or the other races' future.

Also, it was actually Mangaecca, one of nonman tutelage gnostic schools, who managed to bypass nonman security sorcery placed around Arc.

So, guys, what I`m sneaking up to — without Gin'yursis there would be no Consult, no No-God, no First & Second Apocalypse as well.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Meppa is X (II)
« on: July 27, 2014, 11:27:00 pm »
But how is he still alive?
Here's a version about accidental time-travel. :3

Titirga was one of the brightest gnostics in history and needed a quick solution to his lil problem (no earth's echo to cling to — no possibility to walk in the air and save himself from falling down). Where Kellhus took cants of chatting and remade them into a teleporter, there Titirga could try to rethink the very idea of walking in the air. As they say death's proximity creates wonders.

Why use an actual and perceptible echo like some petty anagogic schoolmen? In general it's too demanding & blunt, in particular it's certainly impossible. So like a true gnostic he applies a wide abstraction of such echo, which is pure and elegant enough for sorcery to make all the work and to round all the rough edges. Poof! His wish is granted. He safely walks over the same earth again but paying the price of the different time (as a resulf of massive generality of his abstraction).

Literally Titirga is so badass he pierced the time after he slipped.

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