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« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2014, 08:26:15 pm »
It just struck me that I was assuming that intact/erratic division fell exactly across the Consult/Non-Consult division.  We may yet see:

1) Intact/Non-Consult - Perhaps will join the Great Ordeal
2) Intact/Consult - Perhaps can do more awesome sorcery because of their unshattered minds?
3) Erratic/Non-Consult - like Cleric
4) Erratic/Consult - the average nonman in the the Consult?

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« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2014, 12:51:06 pm »
Maybe the Intact Quya are the real reason for Kellhus' bid for the Nonmen. They seem like an unknown, and maybe he fears they will be too powerful to overcome.
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« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2014, 03:11:17 pm »
I know this is a stupid question and apologies if it has been answered before, but could someone explain the difference between Ishroi and Quya? My understanding is that Ishroi are non-sorcerous Nonmen warriors and Quya are the sorcerers, is that it?

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« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2014, 03:17:51 pm »
I know this is a stupid question and apologies if it has been answered before, but could someone explain the difference between Ishroi and Quya? My understanding is that Ishroi are non-sorcerous Nonmen warriors and Quya are the sorcerers, is that it?

It's not clear to me either!  I think it's kind of a caste thing.  Ishroi are Nonman nobles and Quya are the Ishrois who can do magic?  I think Cleric is described as both.  Quya are the top of the top, I think.  I think Madness has this cool thing about there being a mafia style family running the top of Nonmen organizations and that that group would be the ruling Quya.  Don't remember where it is in TSA!  :P

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« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2014, 02:59:13 am »
Thanks MrG. It could be what you've described I think.

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« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2014, 03:06:59 pm »
The Nonmen operate under some kind of Caste system. Somewhere near the top are the Ishroi. The Ishroi are described as the warrior-caste, and I suppose this affords them a place of honor in their system.
The Quya are the magi of the Nonman society. I don't think Quya is a caste, more like a title given to those with the power to wield magic. The Quya could be Ishroi or any other caste. For example if a schoolman was also a caste-noble he'd be called a Kijneta Schooman. I think the Nonman would work under the same principle, meaning that you could have a Quya Ishroi, or any variation of Quya [insert class name]. To my knowledge, we only have been told of the Ishroi caste (unless you count Emwama).

A Quya may be an Ishroi as well, but an non-magic Ishroi can never be a Quya.

You were pretty much right though: Ishroi are the non-sorcerous warriors, while Quya wield magic.
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« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2014, 04:30:57 am »
I guess someone could be Quya but not Ishroi--maybe the dishonored Aporetic sorcerers are this.

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« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2014, 09:28:05 pm »
It has been bothering me why Wutteat would say "CUNNING ISHROI" instead of recognizing him as a Quya. 


It would seem to stand that Wutteat and Nil'giccas have fought each other (or know of each other well enough) several times in the past, and using Ishroi as his title over Quya is a little odd to me.


Any thoughts? Or, am I reading too far into that?

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« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2014, 10:29:17 pm »
I hadn't caught that!  Could be some more Atrocity Tales coming?  Nil'giccas vs Wutteat parts 1, 2, and whatever?

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« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2014, 06:44:14 pm »
Maybe it was intended as a personal insult.
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« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2014, 04:10:55 am »
The way Wutteat said "cunning" reminded me of the way Kelmomas said it to himself.

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« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2014, 11:25:20 pm »
When Kellhus is wandering through the Kyudean mansion, a lot of these things pop up

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"He paused, beld his lantern before a string of naked figures raising spears against a lion, then realized athat another frieze had been carved behind tis first.  Peering through miniature limbs, he saw deeper, more licentious representations, depicting all manner of poses and penetrations." P315 TTT US paperback

"the walls were chiselled large as life but contioned telling the same twofold tale of martial exploit and priapic excess" p 315

"As elsewhere in the mansion, every surface had been rendered with heroic carvings across more pornographic reliefs, though on a far greater scale" p 322

"[the statues around the pool] They squatted in a broad semi-circle facing the pool, their expressions lurid in the orange light." p 323

All this seems to suggest that the nonmen possessed an inchoroi-level sex drive before the Cuno-Inchoroi wars.  Perhaps the two races are even related in the distant past?  That Moenghus waits for Kellhus in such a place would confirm Kellhus' interpretation of his father, that he would eventually become aware of his sins.

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« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2014, 11:27:35 pm »
It has been bothering me why Wutteat would say "CUNNING ISHROI" instead of recognizing him as a Quya. 


It would seem to stand that Wutteat and Nil'giccas have fought each other (or know of each other well enough) several times in the past, and using Ishroi as his title over Quya is a little odd to me.


Any thoughts? Or, am I reading too far into that?

Wutteat is blind.  Nonmen all look very similar (Akka doesn't recognize NG, for example).  Not surprising that the dragon doesn't recognize him to me.
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« Reply #73 on: September 06, 2014, 01:08:01 am »
Why must Kellhus know that the Nonmen have gone over to the Consult? Because he's Kellhus?

When Kellhus is wandering through the Kyudean mansion, a lot of these things pop up

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"He paused, beld his lantern before a string of naked figures raising spears against a lion, then realized athat another frieze had been carved behind tis first.  Peering through miniature limbs, he saw deeper, more licentious representations, depicting all manner of poses and penetrations." P315 TTT US paperback

"the walls were chiselled large as life but contioned telling the same twofold tale of martial exploit and priapic excess" p 315

"As elsewhere in the mansion, every surface had been rendered with heroic carvings across more pornographic reliefs, though on a far greater scale" p 322

"[the statues around the pool] They squatted in a broad semi-circle facing the pool, their expressions lurid in the orange light." p 323

All this seems to suggest that the nonmen possessed an inchoroi-level sex drive before the Cuno-Inchoroi wars.  Perhaps the two races are even related in the distant past?  That Moenghus waits for Kellhus in such a place would confirm Kellhus' interpretation of his father, that he would eventually become aware of his sins.
I believe Akka says in the Judging Eye that the Nonmen didn't start making friezes like that until after the Cuno-Inchoroi wars. The artistic excess of both their subject matter and the complexity of such art is likely an expression of a people desperate both to remember and to find absolutely anything to occupy their time but the knowledge of their race's now pointless and doomed existence.

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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2014, 01:51:32 am »
Does Wutteat say "CUNNING ISHROI" or "CUNNING CUNOROI?"  I thought it was the latter; just the name of the Nonman race.