Earwa > The Warrior-Prophet
The heart
What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Callan S. ---Gah, there was this bit - not sure where I read it, where Scott actually said he had a fair bit more for that passage, but it got cut. I wish I could find it for you...
Perhaps along with the halo's (that Serwe see's first), the heart is like that. It's possibly the very moment he goes mad (and we cease getting any POV writing from him).
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Wilshire ---Is there such thing as a madman when everyone is insane? The sane become mad, and the mad sane. Perspective.
Anyway, I'd say Callan, that there is a possibility there, except that not everyone would have seen the heart if it was an 'illusion' similar to the halos that eventually everyone comes to see. At least not at this point when so many still didnt believe.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: lockesnow ---The heart is a moment that is more than a bit like Leto II taking on the sandworm symbiosis, isn't it?
regarding miracles. Bakker is playing with that expectation Feanor. Fantasy is inherently a secondary world where the old understandings or laws-of-the-world (pre-science) hold sway. We should see more miracles in fantasy worlds. However it's an interesting paradox and contradiction that despite having an inherently magical world, these worlds tend to be portrayed with a realist/scientific bent that often disproves (to the non-diagetic reader) miracles. Bakker is turning this comfortable genre convention on its head. The convention where the reader is comforted by having a meaningful world (rather than the modern disenchanted/explained world science gives us) and is comforted because the world is explained and presumed to operate on the same principles that the reader's modern world operates on; if the world were full of meaningful miracles, gods, saints, demons and other supernatural agencies and events the reader would be constantly challenged by the unreality and would not be comfortable--indeed, there are many fans of this series who were FURIOUS when the implicit was made explicit in the Judging Eye: that the world was not backgrounded by the comfortable, known world of Earth they had assumed, rather the world was Other, and was the logical continuation of the fantasy Earwa backgrounded by the magical, supernatural and the unknown.
It's very unsettling and VERY purposeful. Oh howl they did howl.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Madness ---I'm still howling ;).
Interesting thought that, lockesnow. If Wilshire's finally done Heretics, perhaps, its time for us to congregate in his PON vs. Dune thread.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Fëanor ---Yeah, lockesnow that's the point. One thing is what we call miracles from this world and its rules and science. Fantasy transcend those rules, so it's "miraculous", ok; but gives us some amount of explanations (not everything, mistery must be dosed), and it's not merely about being comfortable; it's a game in which the author can do almost everything, but deus ex machina or plainly unexplicable things tend to let us down, because it's like foul play. So, the miracles I don't want to see in this books are not the ones I mentioned (those in relation to our world, science), but those like when "something is this way" with no possible explanation, and I don't need that explanation right now... It's enough if we can conjecture different possibilities, but not "just because". Magic, for example. If Kellhus did magic and pulled his heart out... that's curling the curl, because we already are in a wolrd in which magic exists with certain rules (anagogic, pushke, daimotic, gnostic, inchoroi and quya stuff). The theory Madness produced about his hand entering the outside and reaching Serwë's heart for any reason, it's ok to me. Supervelocity hand, too. But I'm not ok if it's like "just because". I'm struggling with the language and don't seem to succeed...
EDIT: I don´t mean Madness's hand, but Kellhus's.
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