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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2013, 08:48:30 pm »
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Psh. There is going to be some kind of space to discuss The Unholy Consult without spoilers :P.

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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2013, 08:48:36 pm »
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Lmao... I actively tried not reading WLW - I ended up doing little else for three days and finished it twice.
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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2013, 08:48:44 pm »
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WLW made me reread the entire series. What a great book.

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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2013, 08:50:39 pm »
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*gasp*

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Your faith has made you powerful.

I am moving this mountain ;)...

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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2014, 05:59:11 pm »
This thread got me thinkin:

1) Are the nonmen still interested in babies?  I have no idea what motivates these kinds of characters beyond what Cleric seemed to want: a proper ending.

2) If Serwa's womb is a bargaining chip, then an even bigger one would be how to make more Serwa's.  I have a crackpot that old Moe is what makes Esmi's womb so singular.  He could offer way more Serwa since they would be products of the psukhe/dunyain know how.

3) If Serwa's womb is a bargaining chip, then Thelopia is another one.

4) If Kellhus is keeping Serwa in the dark about what she would mean to the nonmen, there could be some trouble when she sleeps with a nonman and then produces a child from the liason just before--young Moe's son!

5) @ Curethan - that quote from Bakker, is it talking about the union of nonmen & humans or nonmen & sranc?

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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2014, 06:35:16 pm »
This thread got me thinkin:

1) Are the nonmen still interested in babies?  I have no idea what motivates these kinds of characters beyond what Cleric seemed to want: a proper ending.

2) If Serwa's womb is a bargaining chip, then an even bigger one would be how to make more Serwa's.  I have a crackpot that old Moe is what makes Esmi's womb so singular.  He could offer way more Serwa since they would be products of the psukhe/dunyain know how.

3) If Serwa's womb is a bargaining chip, then Thelopia is another one.

4) If Kellhus is keeping Serwa in the dark about what she would mean to the nonmen, there could be some trouble when she sleeps with a nonman and then produces a child from the liason just before--young Moe's son!

5) @ Curethan - that quote from Bakker, is it talking about the union of nonmen & humans or nonmen & sranc?

1) I would think so. Nonmen have tried a number of times to use humans to restart their race.
2) Again, we have to acknowledge that Yatwer plays a role in all Earwan birth.
3) And depending on Esmenet's bloodline (like for instance if her Matrilineal line are the true descendants of Celmomas), Mimara, who we already know reminded Nil'giccas of his dead wife.
4) I don't think we'll have time to see Serwa come to term, regardless of who impregnates her... Mimara on the other hand.
5) Nonmen and humans, MG.
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« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2014, 05:15:28 pm »
I think Serwa being a kickass magi will be a huge bonus for the Nonmen. Thelopia is not magical, and isn't as sexy ;). Serwa is more 'normal' or at least can play the game better.
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« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2014, 01:17:12 am »
I don't really think that Theliopia is involved, but having her distant works for Kellhus' advantage.  She doesn't have to truly be significant, just 'promising' to work to Kellhus' plan. 

I would really like to see what happens when Nonmen and Sranc attempt to mate.

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« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2014, 09:41:32 pm »
Am hoping to see some Nonmen who went over to the Consult in exchange for graftings to boost memory.  Nonmen with extra brain lumps/sranc faces here and there.  Nonmen connected by head, wet wires to trailing bashrag.  Nonmen in a circle like Shae.

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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2014, 09:51:17 pm »
Am hoping to see some Nonmen who went over to the Consult in exchange for graftings to boost memory.  Nonmen with extra brain lumps/sranc faces here and there.  Nonmen connected by head, wet wires to trailing bashrag.  Nonmen in a circle like Shae.

+1 atrocities
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« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2014, 07:41:54 pm »
IF Cleric has been with the Skin Eaters for long enough and
IF Kosoter is truly zaudunyani

THEN news of Cleric must have made it to Kellhus.

THUS, a meeting between Kellhus and Cleric!  Kellhus may know just about everything that's going to happen in Ishterebinth.  Could have told his kids about it all.  Sorweel is the only one who feels surprise at the insanity yet to come.

After spending a few nights camping/chillaxing with the Nonman king, Kellhus would be the best position to introduce him to Kosoter and train Kosoter for what needed to be done, perhaps condition Cleric to give into Akka's magic at the appropriate moment.

BUT, that Cleric was found at all is suspicious.  Methinks someone manufactured his presence on the long side.

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« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2014, 12:03:50 pm »
Kellhus must have spent time with Cleric before Cleric met Kosoter. It's not even a question in my mind. Kellhus absolutely knows that his bulldog (possible embodied Ciphrang) is watching the Nonman King.
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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2014, 04:19:42 pm »
Kellhus must have spent time with Cleric before Cleric met Kosoter. It's not even a question in my mind. Kellhus absolutely knows that his bulldog (possible embodied Ciphrang) is watching the Nonman King.

I agree. I would be floored if Kellhus was ignorant of the Nonman King's whereabouts.
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« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2014, 09:46:43 pm »
Ishterebinth fell because the Consult made skin spies of lady nonmen.

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« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2014, 03:39:34 am »
Ishterebinth fell because the Consult made skin spies of lady nonmen.

Probably not likely. Skin-spies are a recent invention and I would think that the nonmen are sane enough to know that any females would be fake...
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