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Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Great Ordeal => Topic started by: mrganondorf on June 06, 2016, 04:54:59 pm

Title: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 06, 2016, 04:54:59 pm
Overlook Press is giving away two Advanced Reader Copies of The Great Ordeal!!!

After you have registered an account, this is how to enter the giveaway: Post a response to this thread with a question you hope is answered in TGO, and/or a prediction about what TGO will include!  WHO WILL SPEAK IN ALL CAPS???

Each post counts as one entry!  Up to 10 entries per person!   Contest ends at Noon EST June 13th!  I like exclamation points much more than periods!

[EDIT Madness]: Winners will be contacted via PM system and e-mail attached to their profile.
[EDIT Madness]: For title.
[EDIT Madness]: Don't worry about posting doubles of anyone else's predictions/questions, it won't disqualify you.

[EDIT Wilshire]: You might also try your luck with Grimdark Magazine (https://grimdarkmagazine.com/blogs/news/114510918-win-a-copy-of-the-great-ordeal-by-r-scott-bakker?comment=2795611270#comments), who is also giving out a copy.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: sciborg2 on June 06, 2016, 05:04:49 pm
Prediction - We'll discover the Cish are not damned.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: sciborg2 on June 06, 2016, 05:06:50 pm
Prediction - Sorweel will masturbate.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Raizen on June 06, 2016, 05:08:40 pm
I'd really like to know if Cnaiür is in fact actually dead for good.  I base this on nothing more than a lack of a black and white "Cnaiür IS DEAD" sign and a mad hope for his return.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Raizen on June 06, 2016, 05:10:17 pm
Prediction: any remaining Scylvendi being roped into fighting for the Consult
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 06, 2016, 05:12:56 pm
Prediction - Sorweel will masturbate.

Poor Sorweel!
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: sciborg2 on June 06, 2016, 05:16:57 pm
Prediction - Serwa will display signs of mental instability due to the Dunyain blood.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 06, 2016, 05:17:57 pm
I'd really like to know if Cnaiür is in fact actually dead for good.  I base this on nothing more than a lack of a black and white "Cnaiür IS DEAD" sign and a mad hope for his return.

You're in luck!  Cnaiur, Leweth, Abraham Lincoln, and Socrates all show up to declare that they are in fact dead!  Cnaiur actually admits that he's actually been dead inside for a long time :(  Zombies and Xanax
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wilshire on June 06, 2016, 05:23:52 pm
I'd really like to know if Cnaiür is in fact actually dead for good.  I base this on nothing more than a lack of a black and white "Cnaiür IS DEAD" sign and a mad hope for his return.

You're in luck!  Cnaiur, Leweth, Abraham Lincoln, and Socrates all show up to declare that they are in fact dead!  Cnaiur actually admits that he's actually been dead inside for a long time :(  Zombies and Xanax
What about Tupac ?
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: sciborg2 on June 06, 2016, 05:25:09 pm
Prediction - Lil' Moe will be the only Moe to appear in TGO.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 06, 2016, 05:26:30 pm
I'd really like to know if Cnaiür is in fact actually dead for good.  I base this on nothing more than a lack of a black and white "Cnaiür IS DEAD" sign and a mad hope for his return.

You're in luck!  Cnaiur, Leweth, Abraham Lincoln, and Socrates all show up to declare that they are in fact dead!  Cnaiur actually admits that he's actually been dead inside for a long time :(  Zombies and Xanax
What about Tupac ?

some things are just sad but true.  Tupac is all gone, friend
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Killjoy on June 06, 2016, 06:15:04 pm
What happened to Kellhus on the Circumfrix?
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 06, 2016, 06:25:08 pm
Prediction: More Dunyain survived than the boy / Koringhus are letting on.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Yellow on June 06, 2016, 06:26:46 pm
Thanks to Bakkerfans on Twitter for linking to this giveaway  ;)

My prediction - Kayutas will be sacrificed by Kellhus and become the No-God, closing the Nau-Cayuti / Kayutas couplet.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 06, 2016, 06:33:31 pm
Prediction: We will see Dragons in TGO.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 06, 2016, 06:37:39 pm
Prediction: Kellhus will die / be presumed dead at the end of TGO.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: nicodante on June 06, 2016, 06:42:50 pm
Question: what happened to sarl?


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Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: nicodante on June 06, 2016, 06:44:59 pm
Are we allowing excerpt spoilers here btw?


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Title: Re: The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: nicodante on June 06, 2016, 06:45:42 pm
Question: how and why has Akka been dreaming of nau-cayuti?


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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 06, 2016, 06:46:06 pm
Yes, I suppose we are. I will edit the title, accordingly, nicodante.

EDIT: Also, welcome back, Punkhazard, and welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Killjoy and Yellow.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Redeagl on June 06, 2016, 07:03:45 pm
Prediction: Proyas' discovers the true Kellhus

Question: How is Kellhus,The Consult and Mog are connected ??
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 06, 2016, 07:04:38 pm
Question: how and why has Akka been dreaming of nau-cayuti?


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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Killjoy on June 06, 2016, 07:27:33 pm
Prediction: The No-God wakes at the end of TGO.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Bolivar on June 06, 2016, 07:38:13 pm
Prediction: Fanayal destroys the Tusk

Question: are any of the other factions responsible for the founding of the Dunyain?

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 06, 2016, 09:05:58 pm
Prediction: Kellhus is conditioning Proyas to side with the Consult
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Tasty_Y on June 06, 2016, 09:08:13 pm
Speculation: The gut-punch in the end is going to be Esmenet dying. Kellhus will probably live until the end of the Unholy Consult, at least.

Question: What the heck was that Kellhus in The Outside fragment? What was the deal with the head on the pole?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: painbird on June 06, 2016, 09:20:02 pm
I'm fascinated by the Inchori and their motivations, I'd like to know their true intentions and I'd also like to know more about the cisharum. I'm just starting my 3rd re-read of the series but only my second of the 2nd set of books so maybe these things were already revealed and my poor memory has let me down once again.

Either way, I'm looking forward to The Great Ordeal.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 06, 2016, 09:23:48 pm
Prediction: Seswatha was the founder of the Dunyain.

Question: What are the Intact Nonmen of Ishterebinth like?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CFKane on June 06, 2016, 10:00:44 pm
Prediction: Kellhus will reveal his true aim--to close the world to the outside. Achamian will find that he mostly agrees.
Question: Will Cnaiur return at the end of the world to save us all?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: AWallis on June 06, 2016, 11:19:59 pm
Thanks for the opportunity to reduce the great ordeal of waiting for this novel.

I predict that Achamian will discover the Dûnyain possess some technology related to the Inchoroi. I would most like to find out more about the nature of Incû-Holoinas - was it a prison or a means of escape for the Inchoroi? Wouldn't it be fascinating to find out more about their history prior to landing on Earwa?

Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 06, 2016, 11:39:13 pm
Welcome back, Galbrod and CFKane, and welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Tasty, painbird, swirlingupwards, and AWallis.

I'm fascinated by the Inchori and their motivations, I'd like to know their true intentions and I'd also like to know more about the cisharum. I'm just starting my 3rd re-read of the series but only my second of the 2nd set of books so maybe these things were already revealed and my poor memory has let me down once again.

I think those of us who have gone through a couple sets only do so because we give so many of them away - except the Quorumtender (Quorum returning upon release day), who literally had enough sets of PON at one time to stock a small bookstore. Or collect them.

But three rereads puts you up top with most of us ;).

Thanks for the opportunity to reduce the great ordeal of waiting for this novel.

Lol - yeah, way to go, MG 8). Round of applause!

Also, you're more than welcome to put your link in your signature, Wallis.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CFKane on June 06, 2016, 11:48:18 pm
Welcome back, Galbrod and CFKane, and welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Tasty, painbird, swirlingupwards, and AWallis.

Thanks. I'm on my third (or fourth?) reread at the moment. Hopefully I'll have something to add to the community here, other than my undying belief that Kellhus is working towards the same objective as the consult.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 07, 2016, 12:24:46 am
How will Esmenet react when she finds out what her precious darling Kelmomas really is!
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: robizeratul on June 07, 2016, 12:42:47 am
i never won anything...seems like i must step on conditioned ground. My question is an obvious one,what is Kellhus up to?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 07, 2016, 01:50:50 am
Prediction: Serwa, Moe. and Sor. are going to fulfill some replication of an ancient tragedy in the Nonmen history, to help them 'remember'--probably the seduction of the Nonmen wife/wives that led to the Anasurimbor dynasty.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: MSJ on June 07, 2016, 02:13:01 am
Huh, I guess when a free ARC is involved, theses great theories start coming out the woodwork! Where have you guys been the last few years?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: redjako on June 07, 2016, 03:24:52 am
[question] Is dead wizard salt actually valuable in a military, or metaphysical sense, or, would just be a very high-value token of "wealth."
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: redjako on June 07, 2016, 03:27:23 am
Huh, I guess when a free ARC is involved, theses great theories start coming out the woodwork! Where have you guys been the last few years?

Heh. I forgot about this forum, when the original was shut down. I've re-read the series at least 6x. Sometimes, I'll just go through a big section (like Akha v Cleric, or anything Cnaiur).

Whenever I got some crazy flash of inspiration, the Westeros folks already covered it, so I don't post too much about Bakker except trying to get people to read him.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CFKane on June 07, 2016, 04:39:56 am
Prediction: Continuing revelation will reveal that the dialogue between Kellhus and Moenghus at the end of Thousandfold Thought is even more vital than we realized.

Question: What is the deal with aporetic sorcery? Will we find out the metaphysics of chorae and the secrets of their creation?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:42:17 am
Question: eating sranc presumably has unexpected side effects, does kelmomas eating people also have similar unexpected side effects?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:43:54 am
Prediction: we meet a person or persons who claim to be dunyain but lie about their actual names.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:45:25 am
Question: are the dunyain cannibals?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:46:12 am
Prediction: the inchoroi unleash a new weapon race upon the great ordeal.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:48:23 am
Question: are the dimensions of the inchoroi ark accurate and did the ark descend controlled or uncontrolled?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:50:28 am
Prediction: the inverse fire has a presence in this book equal to or less than the largest presence the inverse fire had in the previous five volumes.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:52:58 am
Question: are fanayal and Zeum playing out a kellhus orchestration  even though they think they are rebelling against his empire?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:55:15 am
Prediction: esmenet is manipulated by kelmomas into becoming his sex slave and wife and he takes the title aspect emperor.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:57:34 am
Question can mimara manipulate the state of an individual's damnation?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: locke on June 07, 2016, 05:58:48 am
Prediction: mimaras magical object acquisitions from sauglish will save her life.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Tasty_Y on June 07, 2016, 09:15:51 am
[question] Is dead wizard salt actually valuable in a military, or metaphysical sense, or, would just be a very high-value token of "wealth."

A common theory is that chanv is wizard salt. I remember there were some passages that vaguely supported that.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: larrytheimp on June 07, 2016, 12:08:47 pm
Prediction: SORWHEEL's CHORAE IS REVEALED TO BE FAKE
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: larrytheimp on June 07, 2016, 12:18:28 pm
How many Inchoroi does it take to screw in a lightbulb (Inverse Fire LED model)?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: larrytheimp on June 07, 2016, 12:21:34 pm
Question:  The Shriah, Kellhus, and a couple Sranc walk into a bar.  The bartender is a Cunoroi Erratic.  Who picks up the tab?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: larrytheimp on June 07, 2016, 12:22:48 pm
Prediction: sranc meat makes you horny, baby.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: larrytheimp on June 07, 2016, 12:24:28 pm
Prediction:  Room service at the Golgotterath Hilton blows.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 01:38:29 pm
Prediction: The Great Ordeal will result in the creation of the No God through mass sacrifice of prisoners.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 01:46:20 pm
Prediction:Achamian will reveal more lore about the judging eye
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 01:47:41 pm
Question: is Kellhus divine, mad or evil? Does he believe his own shtick
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 02:22:34 pm
Prediction: Kellhus will become the new No-God. The previous one was made out of Nau-Kayuti.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 02:23:15 pm
Question: is Samarmas really a second soul within Kelmomas or just a manifestation of Dunyain madness?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 02:24:59 pm
Prediction: We won't learn anything more concrete about Knaiur's fate.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 02:28:07 pm
Question: What is the importance of Psathma Nannaferi's being impregnated by Fanayal?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: conman0321 on June 07, 2016, 02:28:26 pm
Is Drusus Achamian's given name?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 02:28:55 pm
Prediction: Kellhus is responsible for the transformation of Akka's dreams
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 02:30:53 pm
The empire will collapse mostly due to Kel's meddling
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 02:31:16 pm
Question: Did Seswatha change anything in the last copy of Isuphiryas?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 02:38:54 pm
Prediction: Sorweel will kill serwa with his chorae
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 02:40:25 pm
Question: does Kellhus actuall  know about the turning of the nonmen by the Consukt?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 02:43:00 pm
Question: will akka and mimara OD on qurri?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on June 07, 2016, 02:43:58 pm
Question: Does Kellhus intend to survive the Great Ordeal?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 02:45:07 pm
Question: Will Ishterebinth join forces with Kellhus?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 02:55:55 pm
Question: What role will the Heron Spear play?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 02:57:59 pm
Prediction: The Great Ordeal will be attacked by the Wracu.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 07, 2016, 03:02:36 pm
Welcome back, Galbrod and CFKane, and welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Tasty, painbird, swirlingupwards, and AWallis.

Thanks. I'm on my third (or fourth?) reread at the moment. Hopefully I'll have something to add to the community here, other than my undying belief that Kellhus is working towards the same objective as the consult.

Lol - you have your own unique perspective to add :).

Huh, I guess when a free ARC is involved, theses great theories start coming out the woodwork! Where have you guys been the last few years?

Heh. I forgot about this forum, when the original was shut down. I've re-read the series at least 6x. Sometimes, I'll just go through a big section (like Akha v Cleric, or anything Cnaiur).

Whenever I got some crazy flash of inspiration, the Westeros folks already covered it, so I don't post too much about Bakker except trying to get people to read him.

Wow - sorry, redjako, that was my bad. We lost... I'm not sure. A hundred some-odd users from v1 to v2, which we've just never regained. I'm glad you found your way back.

Lol - So welcome back, redjako, robizeratul, ivance, larrytheimp, Litgreg and welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Michael Murden (I see you Grimdark Fic R&W coming in :D) and conman0321! (Sorry if I missed anyone, there's a couple of you Old Names who have clearly just been lurking around 8).)

Remember each question or prediction counts as a chance - so no reason for everyone's name not to be entered ten times, don't worry about posting the same thoughts as someone else if you don't read the full thread! (Am I satisfying my exclamatory quota, MG ;)!?)
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 03:07:12 pm
Prediction: Seswatha  is behind EVERYTHING: he tampered with Isuphiryas , created fake memories for Mandate, founded the Dunyain, and both Akka and Kellhus are his unwitting pawns.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: DracostarA on June 07, 2016, 03:11:33 pm
Question: Is Kellhus aware of Yatwer's influence on Sorweel?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: swirlingupwards on June 07, 2016, 03:15:43 pm
Question: Do the Nonmen of Ishterebinth still have Emwama slaves?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Tasty_Y on June 07, 2016, 03:37:21 pm
Prediction: Death will come swirling down. It will be clarified that Gnosis is the sorcery of the ancient North. Esmenet will be described as a whore by somebody absolutely everyone.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 07, 2016, 03:42:57 pm
Question: Is Cnaiur urs Skiotha really dead?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 07, 2016, 03:44:58 pm
Prediction: Cnaiur appears at the battle of Dagliash, chanv addled/ Inchoroi ministrations making him a bit of a super soldier.

With a new epithet to add to his others.

Most Violent of All Men, Breaker of Horses and Men...Horde-General to the No-God
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 07, 2016, 03:45:49 pm
Question: What was the Soma skin-skies deal?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 07, 2016, 03:47:19 pm
Prediction: Mimara's loot from Sauglish will be pivotal at some point
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 07, 2016, 03:48:26 pm
Question: Why is Kellhus telling Proyas the truth about himself?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 07, 2016, 03:49:17 pm
Prediction: Sarl looses his shit even more and starts snorting Qirri
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Killjoy on June 07, 2016, 03:54:28 pm
Prediction: Achamian/Mimara and Sorweel's group will cross paths eventually.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Killjoy on June 07, 2016, 03:56:11 pm
Prediction: Kellhus has figured out how to survive Chorae, fakes his own death.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 07, 2016, 04:25:36 pm
Question: What happens when you eat Inchoroi?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Killjoy on June 07, 2016, 04:31:40 pm
Prediction: Little Moe and Cnaiur are reunited.

Prediction: A coalition of all the species the Inchoroi decimated are after them with their own fleet.

Prediction: Achamian does in fact kneel at the end of the series

Prediction: Nau Cayuti's kidnapped concubine had the judging eye, and was instrumental for creating the No-God

Question: Who is Uster Scraul?

Question: How was Serwe the "most important character in the series"?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Frail on June 07, 2016, 05:30:02 pm
Prediction: Serwe will detect skin spies in the Nonmen lands.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Frail on June 07, 2016, 05:49:46 pm
Prediction: Achamian will forgive Kellhus for the whole Esmenet thing, and Kellhus in return sets up a wicked cool proposal between Akka and Esmi. Thus fullfilling the prophecy at the end of The Thousandfold Thought.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 07, 2016, 05:51:35 pm
Prediction: There is a half Nonman half human in Ishterebinith
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 07, 2016, 05:55:22 pm
Prediction: The Consult is Holy
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CFKane on June 07, 2016, 06:06:49 pm
Question: Why is Kellhus telling Proyas the truth about himself?

Question: Is Kellhus telling Proyas the truth about himself?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 07, 2016, 09:25:06 pm
Question: Will Mimara see Kellhus through her Judging Eye?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 08, 2016, 02:18:57 am
Prediction: Kellhus will 'disappear' after the battle of Dagliash, just like he skipped out on Shimeh until the very end.

Question: Will Achamian dream more of S.'s 'secret history'?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 08, 2016, 01:15:32 pm
Question: is Kellhus divine, mad or evil? Does he believe his own shtick

Prediction: Evil or divine, Kellhus will be the last in line
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 08, 2016, 01:16:47 pm
Answered Question: What did Sirwitta see when he entered the Ark?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 08, 2016, 01:18:46 pm
Prediction: We will discover who burned the white ships in Neleost
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Hegemond on June 08, 2016, 01:58:52 pm
I would like to know whether Atrithau and other "anarcane" locations will factor into the story.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Hegemond on June 08, 2016, 02:04:18 pm
Prediction: The Dunyain possess/possessed some form of the tekne.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 08, 2016, 03:07:10 pm
Prediction: Kellhus already has the Heron Spear.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CloseCall on June 08, 2016, 04:37:17 pm
Question: Will Mimara see Kellhus as damned?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Sparrow on June 08, 2016, 04:42:43 pm
In TGO I'd like to discover if Akka can change the past (and thus, the present) in his dreams.

I predict when Mimara views Kellhaus he will appear to be the purest of souls.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: W00tard on June 08, 2016, 04:48:44 pm
Prediction:  Khellus will seal the world to the 100 specifically by sacrificing his nation to the Zeumi and the Fanim as a bloodletting of those who remain faithful to the 100.  The rest of those faithful will be either turned or eliminated on the march of the Great Ordeal.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 08, 2016, 05:20:14 pm
Prediction: Kellhus's son is on a mission to kill his father, or will attempt to kill his father once he discovers that the Consult wiped out Ishual because of daddy's challenge.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 08, 2016, 05:28:48 pm
Question: How much less/weaker are Aurang and Aurax compared to Sil, the inchoroi Champion/King?

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 08, 2016, 05:30:24 pm
Prediction: Kellhus is setting proyas up to lose his faith and kill his prophet!

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:31:26 pm
Prediction-Moenghus the younger cheats on Serwa with the ground.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 08, 2016, 05:33:31 pm
Quest!on: What k!nd of (prev!ously unknown) sorcerous spells has Kellhus dev!sed !n the last 30 years?

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:33:57 pm
Prediction-Fanayal will not rape Esmi.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 08, 2016, 05:34:04 pm
Question: how honest is Kellhus with his children?

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:35:53 pm
Prediction-Saubon will be beheaded and humiliated like Conphas was.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:37:58 pm
Prediction-Tabby cat survived and is truly an old name.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:40:34 pm
Prediction-Ajencis was Dunyain.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:41:16 pm
Prediction-Cnaiur killed Asmodean.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:46:56 pm
Prediction-Kellhus is insane; the dude thought jackals were talking to him in TTH!
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:47:44 pm
Question-Why don't chorae wear dragons?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:49:53 pm
Prediction-The eating of Sranc stains the semen of men black.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on June 08, 2016, 05:55:27 pm
Prediction-Kellhus has problems in bed, hence why Esmi is not as enthused with him as she was in PoN.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Walter on June 08, 2016, 06:36:44 pm
Question:  How does the White-Luck, work, for want of a better term?  It seems like he lives a destined life.  Everything that happens is what needs to happen such that he brings about Yatwer's chosen future.  All well and good.  But Kellhus insists that the Hundred are blind to sentience without soul.  If that's the case, they shouldn't see Sranc, etc.  But those have a big impact on the world.  So how can the Hundred simultaneously grasp the world's happenings well enough to steer/aim the White-Luck, but not well enough to understand what's up with Kellhus/the No-God?

It seems like setting Kellhus up to get stabbed in the heart by White-Luck's sword due to it shattering requires perfect understanding of where/when Kellhus will be, and exactly what he's going to be doing, but knowing that would entail knowing about the Consult.  I feel like I'm missing something fundamental about how the Hundred operate.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Conditioned on June 08, 2016, 08:56:58 pm
Question: Wtf exactly is the Nail of Heaven?

Question: Is big daddy Moe playing Kellhus like Kellhus plays the world?

Question: Will Mimara's pregnancy end in a stillbirth as Achamian suggested/what impact will the birth have on TAE?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 08, 2016, 09:29:21 pm
Question: Is Koringhus really Kellhus' son?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: W00tard on June 08, 2016, 10:14:19 pm
Prediction:  We will learn further tenets of Dunyain philosophy re: the Logos.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 08, 2016, 11:29:15 pm
I want to find out the ultimate fate of Cnaiur urs Skiotha, Chieftan of the Utemot, Most Violent of All Men, Breaker of Horses and Men, and possible Vessel of Gilgaol.  I refuse to believe he died, at least in the sense we understand it.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 08, 2016, 11:30:18 pm
Prediction: a connection between the Nail of Heaven and the Incu-Holoinas will be revealed.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 09, 2016, 12:47:01 am
Hello All,

Reading the site for years - first time posting - will do most anything to get an early copy of TGO. First, my thanks to everyone who has posted their thoughts and theories on the series thus far. They have been quite enjoyable to read and ponder as we have waited for the additional books to be published - the slog of slogs indeed.  My thanks to all for making the slog informative and enjoyable.

My first question (my apologies if someone has already posted this and I didn't see it) - Has Kellhus grasped, or on the verge of grasping, the absolute?  Does the "there is a head on a pole behind you" scene with Kellhus seem like he was being sized up by the a (the?) god? Was this god taking stock of an enemy...or was it an invitation to join him and partake of things a god partakes of? The god was clearly in control, but it seems Kellhus was witness to a perspective of the outside not many (if any) other human has been witness to. Is this what grasping the absolute looks like? 
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 09, 2016, 12:49:20 am
Question- Is the Tenke still viable?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 09, 2016, 12:56:16 am
Prediction- Cnaiur has already achieved Godhood ahead of Kellhus.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 09, 2016, 01:46:33 am
I am not so bold as to outright predict anything that may come from Bakker - but I am just bold enough to ask questions that imply my predictions. :)

Question - Is the Inverse Fire true damnation, or something the Inchoroi brought upon themselves (and with them to Earwa via the Ark) for their actions/beliefs/questionable life-style choices? It's believed (known?) that sorcery leads to damnation but is it Inverse Fire damnation, or a completely different flavor of damnation entirely? Do the Inchoroi truly have the only real window into what damnation looks like...in the middle of their ship that they traveled from world to world on? This is outside of Kellhus and his, what I am interpreting as, taste of godhood...or "grasping the absolute" in Dunyain speak.         
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 02:17:57 am
Psatma Nannaferi will confront Kellhus.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 02:20:32 am
Will Mimara become a witch?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 02:43:55 am
Sorweel will have a sexual relationship with Serwa... and Kayutas.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 09, 2016, 02:51:13 am
Lol - you all are straining my ability to keep up ;D.

So, with apologies to anyone I might've missed, welcome back, Wolfdrop, Gorgorotterath, Conditioned, Walter, mostly.harmless, and W00tard and welcome to the Second Apocalypse, DracostarA, William R, CondYoke, rutiger, Char Aznable, Sparrow, CloseCall, Hegemond, and Erratic Halaroi.

Hello All,

Reading the site for years - first time posting - will do most anything to get an early copy of TGO. First, my thanks to everyone who has posted their thoughts and theories on the series thus far. They have been quite enjoyable to read and ponder as we have waited for the additional books to be published - the slog of slogs indeed.  My thanks to all for making the slog informative and enjoyable.

Thanks, Erratic Halaroi. Very unique individuals seem to congregate to Bakker's writings. Well met.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 03:03:55 am
Mimara's baby will eventually rule the Three Seas.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 03:07:20 am
Achamian will meet Kellhus, and he will not kneel.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 03:13:57 am
Theliopa will learn the true nature of Kelmomas.  She will try to communicate this to Esmenet but she will not be believed.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 09, 2016, 03:15:51 am
Oh - meant to remind everyone that posting the same speculation as another poster doesn't disqualify you, which I had earlier edited into MG's opening post. Just post your thoughts. No sense in everyone's name not being entered ten times.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 03:28:14 am
Achamian will in some sense become Seswatha.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 03:29:01 am
The secret to making Chorae will be rediscovered.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 09, 2016, 03:39:30 am
Thanks for the clarity, Madness.

Question - Will Achamian reflect on his life, while close to death, and ponder on how much more he may have accomplished if he had more confidence and ambition...including being able to keep Esmenet?   
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 03:39:57 am
Esmenet will hold the empire together, at least through the end of The Great Ordeal.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Michael Murden on June 09, 2016, 03:45:31 am
Esmenet will forgive Naree.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Sparrow on June 09, 2016, 04:18:46 am
Prediction: Kellhas will be slain by a Chorae.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Sparrow on June 09, 2016, 04:21:46 am
Prediction: "Heron" is an acronym (H.E.R.O.N) the first three words of which are High Explosive Rocket.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Sparrow on June 09, 2016, 04:23:26 am
Prediction: Kelmomas will kill Esmenet in a fit of anger.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Sparrow on June 09, 2016, 04:34:32 am
Prediction: Cnauir will slay Kellhas.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Mandos on June 09, 2016, 06:26:36 am
Question
What is the nature of No-God? What is contained in the Carapace?

Prediction
No-God is re-animated head of Cu'jara-Cinmoi, probably with his soul bound to it, in a confused returned-from-the-dead state, hence the WHAT AM I? question No-God always asks. TTT Glossary description of Cu'jara-Cinmoi death "... fought his way to Cu'jara-Cinmoi's position, but found only his headless body." was a giant Chekhov's Head (heh) for me - why mention such a specific detail, if it's irrelevant? And the recent excerpt from Grimdark Magazine also mentions "There is a head on a pole behind you." - as it describes Kellhus visiting Outside.

Prediction
Moenghus the Elder didn't die at the end of TTT. Rather he spoke to Kellhus from a secure undisclosed location, remotely controlling another Cishaurim's body made to look similar to his own as a precaution. It was mentioned previously that Moenghus was bad at most Psukhe practices requiring faith & passion, but very good at those requiring subtlety and intellect - such as his ability to send dreams to Dunyain at Ishual or to have Skauras speak with Xerius via his own body. After Kellhus left, and his sorcerous puppet died at the hand of Cnaiur, Moegnhus suffered a profound feedback shock, but also came to believe Kellhus's arguments and gained tremendous amount of faith becoming Meppa.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 09, 2016, 12:02:50 pm
Probably, we'll know the answer to the following: What was the nature of Moenghus's "contamination" when he had returned from 'the wilderness" into which he had been sent to explore the threat of Sranc? Why was he exiled instead of just killed?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: SilentRoamer on June 09, 2016, 12:03:57 pm
Prediction: Akka discovers more of the Truth of Seswatha and we finally link the Apocalypse to the past - the clues begin to make sense and we discover Seswatha is a filthy liar - if a good intentioned filthy liar.

Question: Will Akkas kneeling before Kellhus be an act submission or in dominance.

Question: Will we see more of the Mithrulic Artifacts and learn if Kellhus can create these.

Question: What effects does eating Sranc have - similar to Chanv and Qirri?

Prediction: We will learn the source of Chanv and it IS NOT dead sorcerers - their value comes only from the material value of salt to a medieval economy. Chanv comes from something entirely more distasteful than a salted sorcerer.

Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 09, 2016, 12:34:36 pm
Question: Why Sirwitta was not put to death as Cû’jara-Cinmoi ordered? Why was his tongue cut out?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 09, 2016, 12:37:18 pm
Prediction: Proyas will meet Cnaiür somewhere in/around Dagliash
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 09, 2016, 12:38:08 pm
Prediction: we will NOT discover the identity of the Traveller in TJE's prologue
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 09, 2016, 12:39:00 pm
The Dunyain are said to invalidate customs and traditions, yet they keep names and genealogy. But why do the Dunyain need names? Is this tradition so necessary? Maybe, Akka will find a sound explanation.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CFKane on June 09, 2016, 12:55:39 pm
Prediction: The Mandate's experience of Seswatha's life will continue to revealed as a highly edited version, leaving out significant betrayals of the mission.

Prediction: Achamian and Mimara will meet up with Kellhus. Mimara will betray Achamian for Kellhus, echoing Esmenet.

Prediction: The Great Ordeal/Kellhus will discover that the Cisharum are necessary to defeat the consult, but are sadly unavailable due to the events of the first trilogy.

Question: What is the endgame for the Yatwer/WLW set? It is a given that they are blind to the no-god, but what about the rest of the consult and its machinations? Are they aware of the plan to close the outside?

Question: Does the blindness of the gods to the no-god hint at a higher level of causality that may not be perceptible? By which I mean, does what comes before actually determine what comes after, and is the timeless perspective of the gods an illusion?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Tivadar on June 09, 2016, 01:25:22 pm
Will Golgotterath be overrun with belligerent feminist bloggers?

Will the Synthese and the Wathi Doll go on an adorable road trip in their own cartoon spinoff?

Will Moenghus' seeing-eye snakes release a scandalous tell-all memoir?

Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rnblut on June 09, 2016, 01:37:10 pm
Kellhus will offer the consult salvation.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: PTLove on June 09, 2016, 02:01:12 pm
So I'm doing a complete re-read in preparation for TGO, catching up on the Slog group re-read on this board as I go. I'm about halfway through TTT, and something keeps bugging me (and I don't think it's been addressed in the books).

Question: WTF is the deal with Kellhus's halos? Mass delusion? Actual encroachment of the Outside created by the force of others' belief in the Warrior-Prophet? Or just a cheap parlor trick typically used to entertain Dunyain children at birthday parties?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wilshire on June 09, 2016, 02:08:27 pm
So I'm doing a complete re-read in preparation for TGO, catching up on the Slog group re-read on this board as I go. I'm about halfway through TTT, and something keeps bugging me (and I don't think it's been addressed in the books).

Question: WTF is the deal with Kellhus's halos? Mass delusion? Actual encroachment of the Outside created by the force of others' belief in the Warrior-Prophet? Or just a cheap parlor trick typically used to entertain Dunyain children at birthday parties?

I'm sure you've got some interesting thoughts regarding your re-read. You should post them in the slog! No need to read though the other posts if you don't want.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Haba on June 09, 2016, 02:52:22 pm
Question: What does Sranc taste like?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Tanhafut on June 09, 2016, 02:54:35 pm

Hello all!  Yet another long-time lurker here.  These are extremely exciting days for sure. :)


Prediction: Meppa is Seökti.

Prediction: Sorweel will end up sleeping with Moenghus.

Prediction: Disaster will befall Zeüm.

Prediction: Koringhus will spectacularly face down one or more of his half-siblings.  Possibly Kayutas.

Prediction: Fane was right all along.


Question: Are there any human sorcerers left in the Consult?  Other than undead Shaeonanra, that is.

Question: What's up with the Vokalati?  What are their strengths, their ideology?

Question: Have the Inchoroi 'weapons of light' -- besides, presumably, the Heron Spear -- survived?

Question: What has been going on in Eanna?

Question: Is the second voice in Kelmomas's head an actual, perversive entity or pure insanity?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 09, 2016, 03:18:31 pm
I hope to find out the true nature of the Heron Spear.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 09, 2016, 03:56:14 pm
Thanks for the clarity, Madness.

No problem, EH. I hope you don't mind, I abbreviate for brevity. Acronyms abound at SA.

So I'm doing a complete re-read in preparation for TGO, catching up on the Slog group re-read on this board as I go. I'm about halfway through TTT, and something keeps bugging me (and I don't think it's been addressed in the books).

Hopefully, we'll have a WLW Reread/Excerpt Cast and a WLW Reread Cast up soon - to round out the Slog series :). And yes, I second Wilshire, add your thoughts to the Almanacs and anywhere else on our shared monument!

Welcome back, Tivadar and rnblut and welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Mandos, selwynmauberley, Tanhafut, Haba, and PTLove 8).
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Redbird on June 09, 2016, 04:02:32 pm
Drusas Achamian will realize he just needs to be single for a while and "do him".
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 09, 2016, 04:05:20 pm
Lol - welcome, Redbird.

Also, I can't believe how funny so many of the newcomers are. Some stellar wits out there :).

I'm doing a tally now and some of you haven't gotten ten predictions/questions out there across your posts - as I said, no reason for anyone participating not to have their name entered ten times :)!
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: MSJ on June 09, 2016, 04:05:26 pm
Drusas Achamian will realize he just needs to be single for a while and "do him".

LMAO, I like this! :)
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 09, 2016, 04:53:50 pm
So far of the forty-six participants, only eight have ten total predictions/questions across all their posts in this thread. Basically, four days left between now and Monday at noon. Get your posts in 8)!
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 09, 2016, 05:42:43 pm
Prediction: The Great Ordeal will be wiped out at Dagliash.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 09, 2016, 05:46:29 pm
Question: What are the side effects (if any) of eating human meat?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: JRControl on June 09, 2016, 06:01:54 pm
"But what lies Outside, Kellhus, is no more than a fractured and distorted reflection of what lies within"

Question: Are the Gods threatened by the negation of human passions and activities?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 09, 2016, 06:09:47 pm
Question - Were the Inchoroi running from someone/something when they crashed on Earwa? Did they come across a race they could not beat and the Ark was damaged in their escape? Is there a large cosmic war happening in this universe that we the readers, and the people of Earwa, have not been privy too due to the planet being "special"? If so, how rad would that be...yes, I said "rad"...I'm trying to bring it back. :)   
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: JRControl on June 09, 2016, 06:14:27 pm
Prediction: Survivors of the Great Ordeal bring Sranc as cattle back to the Three Seas, make a Grand Unified Cookbook with recipes from all cultures and enjoy heightened productivity as a consequence of easy, fast-grown meat that gives substantial vigour and energy. The increased breeding of Sranc and their cumulative farts however deplete the ozone and increase global warming which has disastrous effects on the economy of poorer nations. Nonmen however, finally get a decent tan.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 09, 2016, 06:16:38 pm
Excellent question, JRControl. I get the sense that the gods are always playing a long game. That said, if they are threatened by a lack of human passions and activities...I suspect they would also be threatened by the lack of humans. Which leads me to my next question -

Question - Once the gods do see/understand (if they have not already) what the consult are trying to do (reduce the number of souls on the planet to 144,000) will they all become more active participants in the war in order to preserve their bests interests? Is "auditioning" Kellhus for godhood a part of that strategy? 
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on June 09, 2016, 06:29:03 pm
Question: What is Mekeritrig up to?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 09, 2016, 07:11:58 pm
Prediction: Scranc meat will 'condition' the remaining survivors of the GO, and internal atrocities will start mounting long before Dagliash...
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: JRControl on June 09, 2016, 07:51:03 pm
Prediction: Kellhus will somehow leverage the Nonmen of Istrenbith (spelling) against the Consult for his purpose.

Question: What is big K's endgame anyway?

Prediction: Certain characters will be tempted with offers of immortality or salvation.

Question: Does Moe have secret sons of his own?

Prediction: Sorwheel will have another change of heart regarding his mission.

Question: What is the Consult's Prophecy Soma/Aurang hinted at?

Prediction: Proyas will be manipulated to be complicit in the eradication of TGO at the hands of the Consult. Big K will strike a bargain with the Consult, but betray them in the end for his own design because he is reaching for the Absolute and they simply for salvation.

Question: Why was the White Luck not pointed against Kellhus?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 09, 2016, 07:59:55 pm
Prediction: The No-God will turn out to be (have been) a gigantic Wathi-doll
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 09, 2016, 08:07:54 pm
Prediction: The Heron Spear will turn out to have been hidden deep within the Thousand Thousand Halls
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 09, 2016, 08:25:55 pm
Question: Are the visions of the White-Luck-Warrior true, or are the events they portray possible to change due to influences emanating from someone (as for example the No-God) acting outside of the Gods perception?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 09, 2016, 08:28:40 pm
Question: If human counsciousness is experiencing "Hell" on the Outside, are the Souls residing within humans experiencing their version of "Hell" on the Inside?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 09, 2016, 08:38:58 pm
Prediction: we will find out that the question "is Kellhus mad?" is itself misleading.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 09, 2016, 08:40:39 pm
I hope to find out if the Solitary God is as real as The Hundred.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 09, 2016, 08:51:21 pm
I also want to find out if Bakker's claim from an interview is correct:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 09, 2016, 09:02:09 pm
Prediction: we find out a major character (probably Akka) has Nonman blood.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 09, 2016, 09:03:15 pm
Prediction: The third trilogy will be called "The God" (okay, maybe that won't happen in TGO).
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 09, 2016, 11:11:58 pm
Prediction: the Nail of Heaven is a portal of some type, and the 'flash' that occurred three years prior to the Ark's descent was its arrival to this particular realm of the universe, the 'promised world.'
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 09, 2016, 11:46:32 pm
I'd say my most pressing question is: Does Kellhus truly want the Great Ordeal to succeed?

Though I suppose that would most likely be answered in the Unholy Consult.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 09, 2016, 11:48:34 pm
Question: Can the White-Luck Warrior be stopped?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 09, 2016, 11:52:33 pm
Prediction: Yatwer will manipulate Sorweel into killing Moenghus and Serwa.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 09, 2016, 11:56:15 pm
Prediction: Mimara will learn how to release people from damnation as well as identify it.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 09, 2016, 11:57:58 pm
Prediction: Cnaiur is still dead, and always will be dead. C'mon people.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 10, 2016, 12:03:58 am
Prediction: Kelmomas will take charge of the Empire, pushing the Fanim back.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 10, 2016, 12:07:21 am
Question: What is currently happening over in Eanna?

I doubt this'll be in, but that blank space on the map drives me crazy damnit.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 10, 2016, 12:14:02 am
Question: Is eating Sranc a sin to the God?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 10, 2016, 12:15:02 am
Question: Who destroyed Ishual?

An obvious but pressing one.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Onrack on June 10, 2016, 12:16:44 am
Prediction: A Non-Woman who somehow survived the womb plague will be discovered.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: tonymc4 on June 10, 2016, 12:56:29 am
Question - Will Kellhus realize the Inchoroi are right and kill everyone in the Great Ordeal to seal the world from the Outside?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: tonymc4 on June 10, 2016, 01:07:42 am
Prediction - Atrithau will send an emissary to Kellhus and be summarily dismissed.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 01:45:06 am
The traveller in the beginning of TJE was another Dunyain yet to be introduced- one of Moe's offspring.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 01:49:18 am
Prediction- Chigra is a repeating soul- through Sirwatta, Seswatha, and Achamain- and he came with the Ark.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 01:55:02 am
Question- what is in the carapace?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 01:56:25 am
Prediction- Koringhus will kill Kellhus.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 01:58:02 am
Prediction - several other Arks have fallen on Earwa.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 02:03:34 am
Question- Who is running the last Nonman Mansion?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 02:12:12 am
Prediction- Sorweel and Serra will serve sorghum sweets to each other. In bed.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on June 10, 2016, 02:21:12 am
#10- prediction - Akka will kneel... Next to Kellhus as he dies, saying, "At the end of the world, an Anasurimbor will return."
The Kellhusian prophecy to haunt the next round of Mandatti. 
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 10, 2016, 03:31:34 am
Question: why does the Ark seem so small by the mathematical calculations RSB provides yet is described as enormous in the text (taking twenty years for the Nonmen to spellunk in their Inchorai extermination)?

Prediction: Sorweel will "save" Serwa from Nonmen affections with his trusty Chorae.

Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:43:13 am
Prediction- The Cishaurim and possibly the Fanim are not damned. The Water cleanses them somehow.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:44:58 am
Prediction- Angelic ciprang look like what we traditionally consider angels to look like, and also they have sex with those in heaven instead of tormenting like normal ciprang.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:46:54 am
Quote
He has always hidden, always watched, where Other Sons, recline, drinking from bowls that are skies, savoring the moaning broth of the Countless, bloating for the sake of bloat, slaking hungers like chasms, pits that eternity had rendered Holy ...

Prediction- This passage refers to those redeemed in the outside, which will be quite different from the glimpse we saw.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:47:36 am
Question- What is the religion of Eanna?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:48:38 am
Prediction- The religion of Eanna is a cult worshiping the Inchoroi.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:49:34 am
Question- What are Kelhus' goals?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:50:43 am
Question- Where does Chanv come from?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:51:52 am
Question- What is the no-god?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:53:32 am
Prediction- The Ark of the Inchoroi is not the first, the other circles on the map are where other objects from space have landed.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Darzin on June 10, 2016, 03:54:40 am
Prediction- Something about the uniqueness of Earwa is why the Inchoroi crashed there rather than landed.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Hogman on June 10, 2016, 01:24:57 pm
Burning question: Where does the White-Luck Warrior go from here?  ???
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Hogman on June 10, 2016, 01:46:44 pm
Question: How many roads must Kelmomas walk down before you can call him a man?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Hogman on June 10, 2016, 02:26:04 pm
Question: Will there be a return to Leweth's hut?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 10, 2016, 02:33:42 pm
Question: why did Moe leave Ishual son may years ago, anyway?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 10, 2016, 02:35:06 pm
Prediction: Mimara and Achamian will meet Nin'janjin
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Hogman on June 10, 2016, 02:47:41 pm
Question: Just send me the bloody book.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 10, 2016, 03:45:35 pm
Question: WHAT DOES HE SEE?  TELL ME.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: rutiger on June 10, 2016, 03:46:32 pm
Prediction: Akka kneels
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wilshire on June 10, 2016, 03:59:52 pm
Question: Just send me the bloody book.
I don't think this one will count as an entry ;).
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 10, 2016, 04:39:03 pm
Question: Is Kellhus mad?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 10, 2016, 04:41:41 pm
Question: Do the Gods experience time backwards (i.e. flowing towards a predestined future)?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 10, 2016, 04:44:49 pm
Question: Is the main effect of the Inverse Fire to separate the connection between consciousness and the soul?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 11, 2016, 03:11:12 am
Question: what's Kelmomas's role in the overall series / second series?
Prediction: the Gods are 'priming' him to become their patsy after daddy is slain by the WLW - he is going to be the main antagonist
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:06:26 am
Question: If what comes after determines what comes before (as with the white-luck), then how can the logos allow for a communion of intellect and circumstance?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:17:24 am
Question: Why is Kellhus able to see halos around his hands and perform miracles, e.g. pulling Serwe's hart from his chest?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:18:53 am
Question: How does the Thousandfold Thought move people?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:22:19 am
Question: What is the No-God?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:25:57 am
Prediction: Serwa bears a nonman child at Ishterebinth.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:32:02 am
Question: Did the Dunyain intend for Kellhus or Moenghus to attain the Absolute?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:38:50 am
Prediction: Akka is being led to the location of the Heron Spear.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:41:21 am
Question: Is the Absolute antithetical to the existence of the gods?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 07:42:38 am
Question: What are the origins of the Dunyain?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wielokropek on June 11, 2016, 08:00:35 am
Question: What is the role of Onkis?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 11, 2016, 09:34:50 am
Prediction: Kellhus will enter into alliance with the Nonmen in order to find the Heron Spear.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 11, 2016, 09:38:53 am
Prediction: We'll see a metaphysical explanation why Eärwa is so hateful and indigestible for the Consult.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 11, 2016, 09:43:17 am
Prediction: The Great Ordeal will suffer a defeat or lose its war potential before it reaches the Ark.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 11, 2016, 09:51:25 am
Question: Could Mog-Pharau be revived with the use of tekne?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 11, 2016, 02:10:28 pm
Tally as of this moment:

(http://s33.postimg.org/yp364f9az/IMAG0465.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yp364f9az/)

That's sixteen circles out of fifty-two by my count.

Countdown ends Monday at noon EDT (I believe, MG might be an hour behind me)!

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 11, 2016, 03:27:22 pm
I'm one of the circled! I actually didn't know how many numbers I was at, this was pretty fun.

Prediction: we will learn that the No-God was actually the God, funneled into the carapace, and the God's presence on Earwa meant that souls went right into Big Daddy's belly rather than be sifted through the Outside and its numerous parasites/Ciphrang. (oh yeah, the Ciphrang being basically tapeworms in the digestion tract of the God, I dig that...)
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wilshire on June 11, 2016, 03:37:39 pm
Tally as of this moment:

(http://s33.postimg.org/yp364f9az/IMAG0465.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yp364f9az/)

That's sixteen circles out of fifty-two by my count.

Countdown ends Monday at noon EDT (I believe, MG might be an hour behind me)!

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Its... so official looking...
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: JRControl on June 11, 2016, 03:39:16 pm
@ivance: that's actually a pretty good prediction and to my mind explains the Chorae on his sarcophagus.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 11, 2016, 03:59:51 pm
I'm one of the circled! I actually didn't know how many numbers I was at, this was pretty fun.

Prediction: we will learn that the No-God was actually the God, funneled into the carapace, and the God's presence on Earwa meant that souls went right into Big Daddy's belly rather than be sifted through the Outside and its numerous parasites/Ciphrang. (oh yeah, the Ciphrang being basically tapeworms in the digestion tract of the God, I dig that...)

No reason to stop, ivance ;).
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 11, 2016, 04:00:30 pm
Its... so official looking...

Wow - now I have to do all this and satisfy your arbitrary standards ;)? If I recall, bakkerfans subset 0.01, you too could used your initiative and made this an excel sheet, if "official looking" was your wont :P.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wilshire on June 11, 2016, 05:22:22 pm
Oh no no, I just complain. I'm not here to offer solutions.

Though, if you want me to, I can :)
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 11, 2016, 05:40:52 pm
Oh no no, I just complain. I'm not here to offer solutions.

Though, if you want me to, I can :)

Offer solutions, yes :P.

But no, having this information in an excel sheet isn't going to make it any easier for me to enter into a random result generator.

EDIT: Unless you know things I don't, of course...
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Corky on June 11, 2016, 07:51:50 pm
1) Prediction: The Unholy Consult will be forced to create new spy strategies and act against the Empress, using the lower orders.

Explanation: For centuries, the skin-spies were ideal spies. That is a problem because it means that the members of the Consult have neither experience of acting in difficult situations, nor a developed infrastructure. Firstly, now they cannot replace someone who has a real power. The fake would be immediately detected. Secondly, they never had the need to verify the information. The skin-spies cannot lie to their makers. Unlike them, human spies can be bought, seduced or blackmailed. That is why every military intelligence organization incorporates services that verify the received data. The Consult is not the Abwehr or the GRU. They have no such experience. For centuries, they were too good and now it works against them. Now Kellhus can feed the Consult with disinformation. When they realize this, they will have to rebuild their spy network. They have to forget about authorities and replace ordinary people who are of no interest to the Emperor’s family.
Ergo, they will reorganize themselves and use more spies, replacing clerks, sellers or soldiers, provoking riots and spreading panic. The Civil War has begun and the Consult wouldn’t neglect a chance to tear the Empire apart.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Corky on June 11, 2016, 07:55:27 pm
2) Prediction: The Scylvendi will cooperate with the Consult.

Explanation: They worship the No-God. They’ve had enough time to train new warriors. Sons of dead fathers are eager to cut fresh swazonds. Surely, Kellhus had no time or resources to cosplay Lawrence of Arabia and organize them in accordance with his needs. However, the Consult had. For centuries, the Consult didn’t recruit new allies. Now they must and the Scylvendi is an excellent choice.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Corky on June 11, 2016, 08:12:43 pm
Prediction: We'll see a metaphysical explanation why Eärwa is so hateful and indigestible for the Consult.
"BECAUSE THIS WORLD YET LIVES!" "BECAUSE THIS WORLD REFUSES TO DIE!"

The question is what is so special about this planet? It is the endpoint of the Consult’s Crusade. The Last World. However, it has a spirit of John McClane and refuses to die. Maybe it is the first world where exists such a strange phenomenon as magic. The ontological principles of this world differ from all others. Why?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Corky on June 11, 2016, 08:15:52 pm
3) Prediction: Cnaiur is dead. Moenghus is dead. Elvis is dead. They were awesome. They died. Dixi.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Corky on June 11, 2016, 08:31:48 pm
4) Prediction: The Nonmen will find a way to continue their race.

Explanation:  These guys have two variants: join the Consult and restart the damaged world or join the Emperor and fight with aliens. Of course, the Consult can promise them a lot and we know that many of them have already been serving the Consult. However, they will choose the Emperor, if they will find the way to reproduce.

What if Serwa can conceive and bear a hybrid? After all, she is a genetically modified, super-hot witch. And I suppose that Anasurimbors may have genes of the Nonmen.

My second theory has no proves at all and it cannot stand against Occam's razor. However, what if Sorweel can bargain with his goddess. Yatwer is the goddess of fertility. Maybe Yatwer can somehow stimulate ordinary women to bear the hybrids. In this case, Sorweel will become an enormously valuable subject of bargaining. Maybe he is an intermediary between those who suffer from a lack of ability to reproduce and the goddess of fertility. Gods wish to destroy Kellhus. Why not use the Nonmen, hitting at their weak point? I know that this is nonsense, but I am sure that Sorweel will play a great role in future.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 11, 2016, 09:21:19 pm
Questions: If the Inchoroi can experience damnation, does that mean that their souls function in the same way as human souls (visavi The Hundred, the Solitary God, The God et cet)?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on June 11, 2016, 09:25:19 pm
Prediction: Even though Achamian will finally have support in his claim that Kallhus is evil, Achamian will in the end be swayed by Kellhus goal to close the world fromm damnation
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 11, 2016, 09:37:46 pm
Prediction: Wutteat will return to make a nuisance of himself during the battle at Dagliash
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 11, 2016, 09:39:13 pm
Question: Is Mimara's Sheara a scale or mail hauberk, it seemed to change a few times and I'm OCD
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 11, 2016, 09:41:02 pm
Prediction: Yatwer will manifest to Sorweel again during Ishteribinth 
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on June 11, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
Question: Was Nau Cayuti in the No-God carapace?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 12, 2016, 12:06:01 am
Question: is the thousandfold thought a way of saying that if many people think a lie/thought is true, it becomes truth?

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 12, 2016, 12:08:49 am
Question: what have we missed regarding Meppa, why is he where he is?
he cannot interact with Kellhus anymore (an encounter I think I'd like)

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 12, 2016, 12:13:30 am
Prediction: Kellhus has had more interactions with the Consult and we'll learn of this in TGO or TUC

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 12, 2016, 12:14:29 am
Prediction: Nau-Cayuti still 'lives'

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 12, 2016, 12:15:56 am
Prediction: Koringhus is an unexpected variable for Kellhus and will be part of what enables the WLW to kill him

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 12, 2016, 12:17:55 am
Question: while battling the Consult, did some Dûnyain figure out how sorcery worked and did anything interesting come of that?

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on June 12, 2016, 12:19:48 am
Question: even if Atrithau is anarcane ground, why haven't the Consult wiped it out with sheer force of numbers?
And could a dragon still spew fire, from a distance and damage it, or is it like a chorea and does it actually neutralise the sorcery?

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Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: ivance on June 12, 2016, 03:53:19 am
Prediction: The demons Kellhus has tied to his girdle are means by which he can capture and devour souls himself--a makeshift No-God device giving him heightened access to the Outside and elsewhere (the fire-looking spell).

I've always thought that the amount of conjecture and crackpot that RSB inspires here and the other forum are enough for a dozen enterprising philosophy-fantasy writers to mine from. If I only had the time to assemble by copy-past a catalogue of theory and speculation from 2004 until now... it would be an amazing resource to compare/contrast what might be with what will eventually be revealed.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 12, 2016, 09:57:12 am
Prediction: Kellhus possesses some cryptic knowledge of the Inchoroi (some unrevealed outcomes of the probability trance?). Alternatively, he could have his own spies in Golgotterath. We'll be given to understand why Kellhus acts so resolutely sending the whole of his Empire to battle the mostly unstudied enemy.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 12, 2016, 10:14:31 am
Prediction: More of the Inchoroi are rushing at breakneck speed towards Eärwa. Cheesy but thrilling.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 12, 2016, 10:17:12 am
Prediction: Serwa will discover Consult skin-spies among the Nonmen.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 12, 2016, 10:19:48 am
Question: Can it be that Dunyain women aren't simply companions to Dunyain men, but rather have their special function within the scope of the mission of the Dunyain (by analogy with Bene Gesserit)?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Corky on June 12, 2016, 11:40:06 am
5) Prediction: Serwa will not show any signs of mental instability.
The half-breed Dunyains are broken tools, sharp and exceptional, but uncontrollable. She looks and acts like a normal human being. Just like Kellhus before he had become the Emperor. She is one of the Conditioned who grew up in the strictest discipline and honed her mind with the study of the Gnosis. She is not mad. She is dangerous.

6) Prediction: Achamian and Mimara will stay in ruined Ishual.  She is pregnant and probably unable to move. They have to shelter from the winter. Thus, Achamian will have enough time to do some archeology and reveal at least a few secrets of the Dunyain.

7) Prediction: A whirlwind that surrounds the No-God is the side effect. It is a visual confirmation that the metaphysical ‘immune system’ of Earwa fights with something that is completely alien, something that doesn’t belong to this universe.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 13, 2016, 11:51:11 am
Prediction: Sorweel wil masturbate some more
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on June 13, 2016, 11:53:34 am
Question: is the Consult commanding any Dragon?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 13, 2016, 12:00:32 pm
What a fun thread this has been!

There are only a couple hours left to get your predictions and questions in! MG is in CDT so I will lock the thread at 12pm CDT (1pm EDT) and we will announce the winners shortly thereafter (probably sometime before I go golfing again).

Cheers everyone - I'm glad to have met you all and I hope you stick around to share in this mad experiment.

Five more hours - get your posts in!
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 13, 2016, 04:25:15 pm
Golf is an excellent idea for this most unholy of Mondays. Madness, may your score be low and the water around the greens be splash free.   

Question - Are the Inchoroi playing the long game on this planet because this is their last stop on the their "Reducing Souls Because We Care" galactic tour? Did the Ark really crash land, or is this how it's been done on all the planets they have graciously introduced their particular brand of population control too?   

Side note: I am now I'm picturing a foursome of Kellhus, Achamian, Cleric, and Mekeritrig attempting to play golf and pondering how long it takes for one of them try and use sorcery to get the ball in the hole...and then, out of sheer frustration, using a war-cant to blow up the green and all around it entirely...hahaha...fucking golf.   
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 13, 2016, 04:37:22 pm
Question - At some point, does Mimara have the opportunity to see her reflection while looking through the judging eye? If so, does she take it? If so, does what reflects back at her bring comfort or dread?   

Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 13, 2016, 04:45:50 pm
Question - Did the Nonmnn have counselors and Qirri clinics to help them kick the habit of Qirri?  Would Qirri be considered a "back ally" kind of drug...or will it have more of a high end, "upper class" set of users? My suspicion is the latter.

Silly question, I know...but I'm running out of time. I suspect my remaining 3 questions will get progressively worse. :)   
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 13, 2016, 04:48:17 pm
I miscounted - only two questions left!

Question - If Halloween were celebrated on Earwa, what would the consult dress up as to try and come off as scary?  Bunnies?
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Erratic Halaroi on June 13, 2016, 04:54:13 pm
Last Question - If I could have a drink with one character from the books, who would it be?  Hmmm...I'm going to go with Cleric, the stories he could tell would be fascinating...though I would do my best to be walk the line between being good company and unremarkable...you know, so he does not feel compelled to kill me afterword's to remember me.

That's my 10. Thanks, Madness, for making his happen. Good luck to all and congrats to the winners.   
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 13, 2016, 05:11:34 pm
That's my 10. Thanks, Madness, for making his happen. Good luck to all and congrats to the winners.   

Nah, the kudos all go to mrganondorf on this one. I'm just the face. Big round of applause for MG 8)!

Thanks, everyone, for participating and signing up :)!

I found many of your predictions and questions very witty and intelligent and I do hope that you all stick around.

The bakkerfans conglomerate will announce the winners and PM them shortly.

Golf is an excellent idea for this most unholy of Mondays. Madness, may your score be low and the water around the greens be splash free. 

Side note: I am now I'm picturing a foursome of Kellhus, Achamian, Cleric, and Mekeritrig attempting to play golf and pondering how long it takes for one of them try and use sorcery to get the ball in the hole...and then, out of sheer frustration, using a war-cant to blow up the green and all around it entirely...hahaha...fucking golf.   

Lol - it was a good round. I beat my Dad but I play a lot more than him. I'll probably try for another twilight eighteen tonight.

And I imagine Kellhus (or most any Dunyain) would make an incredible golfer.
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 13, 2016, 05:23:59 pm
All you Bakker fans,

Thanks for participating!  The two winners will soon be randomly selected!  After they are selected, the winners will be announced and those two users will receive a private message here at www.second-apocalpyse.com about getting your books! 

Don't forget that of all the lovely places on the internet to discuss Bakker, this is the one forum dedicated just to his work.  Keep the conversation going!  Look at all of the threads already dedicated to The Great Ordeal: http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?board=4.0  And that's just the latest book!

Let the fan theory parade never end! :)
Truth shines!

-mrganondorf
Title: Re: [TGO Excerpt Spoilers] The Great Ordeal ARC Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 13, 2016, 05:43:43 pm
The winners are…

Corky and Litgreg!!!

Congratulations!  You are blessed of heaven!  Prepare for ARCfall!!!