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The Unholy Consult / Re: The Judging Eye is not Blinded by the No-God
« on: August 06, 2017, 07:25:21 am »
Aye, the God is immanent in the World. The Outside (souls, ciphrang and gods) is how It experiences Itself, kind of like a dream, I think.

The Object collapses the subjective lens through which It interacts with creation. So the Judging Eye is super important. Interesting that Akka knows about the Judging Eye, yet there are no mentions of it in the Sagas or the Dreams. Perhaps it has been excised from history, except for that tapestry that Mimara sees.

There is the question of whether Ajokli became immanent in Creation through Cnaiur, or if that scene represents him dissolving along with the Outside.

Then I think it might be interesting what might happen with all these other mummified souls we have littering the narrative. Malowebi, Seswatha, probably Shauritias, maybe Kellhus and maybe the Amiolas guy.

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Oh yeah, what's the deal with anarcane ground in this case? Might be important as Atrithau seems like a sensible place for Mimara et al to run to.

As to Kelmomas, the No-god is an inversion. It seems like it would be the one thing the Eye can't countenance. Indeed, when Mimara does look upon it with the Eye she pierces the hologram and sees the sacrophagus. Then the questions start and the whirlwind rises. There is a hum of power from the Upright Horn too, but I think it's all about the timing.

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So, a point of contention with various speculations I have raised involves how the No-god seals the Outside. Mostly the point is raised that only the No-god is invisible to the Hundred and that the 144k point probably needs to be reached before the Outside is sealed.

In the recent AMA a very relevant question and answer arose.

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Q. Has Resumption bared the rest of the Hundred from interfering in the real world?

A. The Gods are pretty much witless now. Imagine a virus erasing your memories and your meta-memories simultaneously. Theological Alzheimers.

Some implications that I have inferred:

All the meaning that souls relay back to the Outside is sealed off whilst Mog walks and that the gods are completely blind and starved.

The way Topoi and the Boundaries of the Onta are described indicates that the stuff of meaning piles up with the course of history, but now it seems the reflection of that into the Outside is blocked.

Ajokli's incarnation through Cnaiur (and the Celmoman prophecy itself) indicates that the Trickster has managed to remain puissant. (Both of these God powered acts occur during Apocalypse)

Because sorcery still functions we can derive that the Outside can be accessed/manipulated from this side of the world.


Your thoughts?

[EDIT Madness: Title.]

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Author Q&A / Re: Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*
« on: August 01, 2017, 09:07:40 am »
1. How does Serwa know about the 100 stones? Did she commune in some way with the absolute?

Ooh, that was such a nice leitmotif. Koringhus had one hundred revelations, the last one delivered him to Oblivion. He also had one hundred stones, the last one saved his son. Serwa faces one hundred chorae, the last one punishes her. One hundred Gods, the last one betrays them all.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Ranking the books after TUC
« on: August 01, 2017, 07:25:28 am »
To spare my brethren page flippage:

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So did the Great Ordeal of Anasûrimbor Kellhus perish in salt and butchery.

Bakker, R. Scott. The Unholy Consult: Book Four of the Aspect-Emperor series (Aspect Emperor 4) (Kindle Locations 8250-8251). Little, Brown Book Group. Kindle Edition.

I like TTT's final sentence more.

(Psst; it's my sig.)

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The Unholy Consult / Re: TUC Jason Deem artwork (possible spoilers...?)
« on: August 01, 2017, 03:51:07 am »
Does Jason offer block-mounted prints anywhere?  Shipping might be prohibitive for me, but I'll happily pay him for permission to have it done locally or something.

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Author Q&A / Re: Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*
« on: August 01, 2017, 03:48:06 am »
This is straightforward in the text.  Earwa is a world where everything has already happened, forward and backward in time.  So the fact that the Gods can't see the Ark or the Consult implies that they succeed at some point in the future.  It's the same reason why the Gods can't see Kelmomas.

Except the way the gods intercede to alter the flow of history (and fail) implies that is only true in the Outside. Same with the way that prophecy effects the past. It's a real brain-bender and is not that straightforward to many of us.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Mechanics of Damnation
« on: August 01, 2017, 03:44:08 am »
I think damnation hinges on experiential intentionality. The things that feed on suffering as an experience figuratively tear it from the soul. If a soul makes it to Oblivion I imagine that their sinful experiences are forgotten (i.e. no longer bound to the soul) but remain as carrion for such Ciphrang.

I doubt we'll ever get a straight answer on the details of this aspect of souls and the outside, but it seems pretty consistently thought out.

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Maybe the skin-spies are regrafted Mangaecca members?

I doubt the Consult had sufficient mastery of the Tekne at the time, or Shae himself would have gone for that solution.

I do feel like the Wracu (sans Wutteat) are possibly synthetic bodies rehousing souls from a time before the Inchoroi had exhausted that tech.

Perhaps the Mutilated can get some Ghost-in-the-Shell machines working in time for the third series. ;)

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Author Q&A / Re: Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*
« on: August 01, 2017, 03:23:38 am »
Yar = contemptuous term for pirates.

edit: can you comment on Anjencis' take on the Ark? Specifically I'm interested in the implication (even assuming he is completely wrong about the Ark and astrophysics) that there are no other planets in the Earwan solar system.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]Kayûtas - Boring or Terrifying?
« on: August 01, 2017, 03:22:19 am »
Serwa would be the obvious next host for the Thousandfold Thought imo, Kayutas doesn't seem to see deeply enough. But I don't think she can survive the events at Golgotteroth intact enough for any more field work - they could make a nice tandem team.

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Uh, the Consult thought they were all that and they weren't. Like, they make quite a few mistakes thanks to hubris. I think that is all that is being said here.

They thought they could use the Dunyain that they captured (or who surrendered) but they got dominated instead. Not a huge issue for them though, they made the No-god to enslave themselves, after all. Only Shae was egomaniac enough to resist.

Seems like the rest of the Mangeacca and the Aporetics perished long ago - or maybe they are hanging with Nin'janjin and Emilidas. Who knows?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Shauriatas
« on: August 01, 2017, 01:47:01 am »
I like the Mutilated/Larval idea, but I think Ajokli would have given us a more bold clue in the face of such multi-souled, hot-potato sorcerous fuckery. It seems like the kind of thing he'd notice.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi souls
« on: July 31, 2017, 11:24:59 pm »
Remember, artificiality doesn't affect whether or not you have a soul.

+1

See also:  Wracu and the grafting of sorcery. It's definitely doable via the Tekne, and probably not a problem if you have a working Ark.

The Inchoroi wouldn't want the Derived to have souls, it's just not a good idea to make another souled race with their goal.

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Author Q&A / Re: Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*
« on: July 31, 2017, 11:15:32 pm »
I like that crackpot, Jurble.

Hearkening back to my second question, I'm curious whether there is a difference between the Redemption the Judging Eye sees for Esme and the interventional Redemption the Hundred can grant?

Also, it seems given that the demonstrated Redemption (where Gods intervene) trumps whatever damnation a soul's intentionality has earned. Are all experiences remembered by the World independent of the fate of individual souls? Like some part of those Redeemed by the Gods stays in the Hells while their ego is restored in paradise? It sometimes seems to me the Outside is more like a drain for subjective experiences shorn from souls than an eternal destination. Any comment?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Ajokli's larger presence
« on: July 31, 2017, 02:00:37 pm »
Maybe Kellhus was at Mengedda practicing switching heads so that he could do it at will and without having to physically remove his own head? Or maybe that's just the only way Kellhus can get high (i.e. out of his head wasted).

Also; the reader assumes the decapitants are demons - but can you bring a ciphrang's head back from Outside? - that doesn't really jive with the way we see Ciphrang manifest into the World via the Daimos either...  What if the decapitants come from humans with Ciphrang souls (i.e. like Kosoter, Serwa and C'naiur - the people Mimara identifies as Ciphrang rather than merely damned)?

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