Earwa > The Unholy Consult
Why would the Inchoroi fear damnation?
Cüréthañ:
--- Quote from: The Sharmat on August 06, 2017, 11:03:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cüréthañ on August 06, 2017, 09:10:16 pm ---The non-men who were exposed believe oblivion is a lie, but we have seen that even erratic can attain it.
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Since that's the only one we've ever seen manage it, for all we know only an erratic could attain it.
I honestly don't think we have enough information here to answer why the Inchoroi aren't ciphrang.
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You are missing the point. The mechanics of avoiding damnation are not important.
We know the Inverse Fire is a tool of control. It's a compelling truth, but not the whole truth. Any Dunyain knows the value of partial truths in conditioning via deception.
The Inchoroi are conditioned to believe there is only one way to save their souls because of that. Extermination.
We know that Oblivion is an option. They deny that.
We know that Redemption can come from the one God or the Hundred. They say EVERYONE is damned forever.
We know you can level up your soul. They aren't interested.
Logical induction dictates being careful with immortality means not dying means no damnation. They would rather render themselves extinct trying to shut the world.
Maybe exterminating everyone and erasing history will work to save their souls, maybe they are doing it to free the progenitors from Hell, or maybe the progenitors just want to terraform planets.
Point is, their mission is focused to one goal only, the Inverse Fire is there to keep them on track.
Happily for them, the Dunyain want to do the same thing in pursuit of a Self Moving Soul. The Inverse Fire is barely required to get them to join according to Kellhus PoV in TTT.
The Sharmat:
Eh, I'm tired of plot points that require everyone but Kellhus being a moron.
Plus I'd argue the mechanics of damnation are in fact the single most important thing in the series, so we clearly don't see eye to eye on some very basic premises. And the mechanics are kind of critical to the entire subject of this thread.
Cüréthañ:
I merely tried to clarify my point.
You don't get it, that's fine, we'll leave it there.
edit: at any rate, it's not about Inchoroi dumb - Kellhus smart. Simply that there are important things made clear to the reader that contradict the Inchoroi perspective. Kellhus was plenty wrong too and died for it.
Madness:
--- Quote from: Yellow on August 06, 2017, 07:13:16 pm ---We learn through the series that particular nasty individuals, those with the strongest wild, who have the most vile ill - intent, tend to become Ciphrang.
But not the Inchoroi? I don't buy it. By all the reasoning given, Aurang for sure, and probably *all* of the Inchoroi, fall into this category.
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Inchoroi aren't from Earwa?
The Sharmat:
That may be important, I'd never considered that. It is apparently a special place.
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