[Walter]

So...let's guess at the final fate of our Lord and Prophet.

Do you think he is hanging from the statues hip in the other head?  Dead and being tortured on the outside?  Dead and become a Ciphrang?  Dead and become Ajokli?  Alive and it was a body double that got salted?  Actually inside of the No-God?

Let's hear it!

For myself, I think he is, himself, the Head On A Pole.  His spirit is tortured in the Outside, but his head is on the statue's belt, and he is not dead, so the Hundred cannot truly torture him.  I think those scenes were flash forwards to this time.

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[ThoughtsOfThelli]

I believe the Ciphrang hypothesis for now (might change after rereads) mainly because of the "I descend as hunger" line.

[H]

So...let's guess at the final fate of our Lord and Prophet.

Do you think he is hanging from the statues hip in the other head?  Dead and being tortured on the outside?  Dead and become a Ciphrang?  Dead and become Ajokli?  Alive and it was a body double that got salted?  Actually inside of the No-God?

Let's hear it!

For myself, I think he is, himself, the Head On A Pole.  His spirit is tortured in the Outside, but his head is on the statue's belt, and he is not dead, so the Hundred cannot truly torture him.  I think those scenes were flash forwards to this time.

Well, at the end, it seems like Ajokli is looking for Kellhus' soul and certainly seems to be feeling cheated.

So, yeah, I do think that Kellhus' soul is somewhere.  Now, perhaps it is in his own head, because when "Kellhus'" head erupts into a gout of flame, I have my doubts that was his own.  There is little doubt in my mind that the head-on-a-pole is/was Kellhus own.  Indeed, this could be another way in which Kellhus avoids the fate of those who would usually visit the Outside.  He actually was a Ciphrang already, so not "vulnerable" to them in the way other mortals would be.

Interesting to think about that part in light of TUC, as the line, "The living shall not haunt the dead" could simply be foreshadowing that Kellhus, 'haunting the dead' in that scene, will, at some point, not be living.  Which we now know why.

[themerchant]

He's saved. We're on our own now.

[H]

He's saved. We're on our own now.

I'd disagree there.  While I think he managed to save himself from damnation, I don't think that is the same as being saved.

[themerchant]

What is "saved" if not saved from damnation?

[H]

What is "saved" if not saved from damnation?

A fair point.  Going back to what Bakker said about there being Redemption, Damnation and Oblivion, I just wanted to be clear that I don't think he is Redeemed at all, simply having just staved off Damnation somehow.  Not really all that different than, say, what Shaeönanra did in the matter-of-fact, rather than in actual practice.

[Madness]

So...let's guess at the final fate of our Lord and Prophet.

Do you think he is hanging from the statues hip in the other head?

I need to read the canon artifact to be sure but this is my bet.

For myself, I think he is, himself, the Head On A Pole.  His spirit is tortured in the Outside, but his head is on the statue's belt, and he is not dead, so the Hundred cannot truly torture him.  I think those scenes were flash forwards to this time.

I do like this and it's seeded within TGO's Nau-Cayuti Dream and Achamian's explanation of Shauriatas to Mimara afterwords.

[themerchant]

What salted then when the chorae touched Kellhus? If you touch a dead mage with a chorae does it still salt?

[Walter]

His body, and Ajokli's head, if I'm guessing right.

[Redeagl]

I think that Kellhus is gone for good. I am interested in seeing what will exactly happen in the Outside to him however, I don't think he will do anything important to the World.

[H]

His body, and Ajokli's head, if I'm guessing right.

The confusing thing, that we have no unserstanding of is how the Mark, your soul and your body are exactly related.

I mean, presumably the soul carries the Mark, which is tied to your body.  But if one's soul isn't in the body, does the body still have the Mark?  So would it salt?

[MisterGuyMan]

I think he's in the Outside somewhere which means was always in the outside for the entire series since time doesn't exist there as a strictly linear concept.

I still believe he's on the path of TTT which is to become an Unmoved soul.  If he becomes Ciphrang or a God to reach back to his past and condition it for his mortal self, then that's a paradox that fulfills the criteria of an unmoved soul.

He's either  Ajokli, Onkis and/or the head on a pole.

[themerchant]

His body, and Ajokli's head, if I'm guessing right.

The confusing thing, that we have no unserstanding of is how the Mark, your soul and your body are exactly related.

I mean, presumably the soul carries the Mark, which is tied to your body.  But if one's soul isn't in the body, does the body still have the Mark?  So would it salt?

That's what i'm getting at. Seeing if any clues to what happened by looking at what salted.

Ajokli had control of Kellhus during the last whelming? Kelemonas notices Kellhus levitates using no sorcery. So gods seem to be markless, but at the same point everyone notices his mark, Akka notices is just after that.

[jurble]

Kellhus is now a baby, you noobs.