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TNG- Your expectations and wants
Madness:
Yeah. We've been quoting that line and wondering when it would come back around since... fuck, long before this forum existed.
TLEILAXU:
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--- Quote from: MSJ on November 09, 2017, 03:29:35 pm ---And, I would hope that Bakker not leave so much on the table as he did in TUC. Example- The Akka and Kellhus meeting. Wow. I was expecting some huge reveals and it was set up nicely, only to have Kellhus shrug and walk away. Bad form in my opinion.
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I actually thought the anticlimactic nature of that scene perfect, except Bakker shouldn't have italicized "fell to his knees" (too overt a call back for long-term readers, in my opinion).
The only thing left untied there, so far as I'm concerned, is why Kellhus was interested in Achamian's changing Dreams.
--- Quote from: MSJ on November 09, 2017, 03:29:35 pm ---He needs to bounce back with something new, but the same ol'Bakker style. He did say he was for the first time in his life a discovery writer. Which, regardless of how so many here feel, I think a little girl of his might have an impact on what he thinks human are capable of and what he would want humankind to do.
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I think his "discovery writer" comments have to do with TNG directly. After all, we could argue that all his shorts and standalones were written in "discovery" mode, though - as per what's available - that might not seem a positive indication.
--- Quote from: TLEILAXU on November 09, 2017, 04:55:32 pm ---First and foremost, like others have mentioned, a better editor. I don't mind purple prose, but it gets too purple at times. Also, I don't mind ambiguity, but it seems Bakker is almost engaging in ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. I don't like the style of saying Shaeönanra is dead and then teasing he might possess the Mutilated in the AMA without any real answer or hint to more conclusive evidence.
Also, we need Mutilated flashbacks.
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An editor at all is better than no editor. At Zaudunyanicon he mentioned that Overlook actually just outsourced his editing for TGO/TUC after the longtime editor familiar with his books quit circa new year 2014.
Also, he didn't specifically say either that "Shaeönanra is dead and then teasing he might possess the Mutilated in the AMA" or in the text. He simply commented twice that readers seemed to have "missed something" (bp). It was jurble and a number of others here and at Westeros who created this possession narrative.
Otherwise, at Zaudunyanicon we were given a big ol' RAFO regarding Shauriatas' fate.
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He did say
--- Quote ---Do we know the fate of Shauriatis?
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and never directly refused the possession narrative which I take as a semi-sanctioning of this narrative.
DO RAFOs apply to future novels as well? Coz' then at least I can hope that Shaeönanra's fate will be elucidated at some point.
MSJ:
--- Quote from: SmilerLoki ---So, I separate the work and Bakker's intent for said work. Right now I'm only discussing his intent when we talk themes of the series.
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But intent means jack shit if its not conveyed in the text.
Question? How many readers or what % even know anything about Bakker's Crash Space theory? 1%, 5% maybe 10%? It has to be conveyed in the text thoroughly for it to be discussed. Its why we had so many fans upset about resolutions they were sure to come to pass. Bakker's comments didn't help, at all. Made it worse, tbh.
I understand its what your into. But, 99% of readers could care less. And, if you think I give 2 cents about what Academia thinks about my thoughts, well, there's a dark hole they can shove your thoughts into. (I'm not trying to be rude, but this is a fan site, not Academia Bakker 101).
MSJ:
--- Quote from: Tleilaxu ---DO RAFOs apply to future novels as well? Coz' then at least I can hope that Shaeönanra's fate will be elucidated at some point.
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RAFO= Read and find out.
So, of course RAFO's mean that it will be discussed in later books
MSJ:
--- Quote from: Madness ---I think his "discovery writer" comments have to do with TNG directly. After all, we could argue that all his shorts and standalones were written in "discovery" mode, though - as per what's available - that might not seem a positive indication.
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I think your confused as to my comment. I meant that TNG is when his discovery writing will begin. I don't read much on his blog, so not all that well versed in his attitude on humanity and such.
I know, as Wilshire stated, there hasn't been a whole lot of hope in any of TSA so far. For some reason, I expect that to change. Call it a gut-feeling! ;)
It won't be a hope like, say, LotR. It will be bleak and dark with smidgen of hope thrown in. Just my thoughts and here's why. TUC was the culmination of a teenager/early 20's Bakker and his bleak outlook on life and his spirituality. Guess what has changed since then? He's married and has a little girl. And, sirs and ma'am's let me tell you what a daughter does to a dad. They make you weak. They make you want to do anything to make sure they live the best life possible. They give you hope.
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