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The Unholy Consult / Re: Kellhus and the Carapice [Spoilers]
« on: August 03, 2017, 01:52:18 pm »
Does anybody understand why everyone in the ordeal sees kellhus floating down when it's really the Carapice? Is it just some mass hallucination or something, as it isn't even kellhus inside there.

It's a hologram, projected by the Consult.

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And how can anyone deny the Deus Ex Machina at the end? There's no way that kid got to the upright horn!
I agree with some of what you're saying but not with this at all. Kelmomas was simply escorted inside by a skin spy on the orders of the Consult. Why is that hard to believe? Not hard to get in when you're invited.

+1

Especially on the back of a Cartilage-Monster.

Yeah I don't get why that's hard. Kelmomas escapes the day before, is found by skin spy. Does it take more than 18 hours to walk from the ordeal camp to the golden room? Why wouldn't he be there?

Compared to everything else going on, this is a pretty mundane issue of walking from point a to point b.

I assume those that think otherwise have reasoning behind it that I just don't see. Can someone please do me the honor of pointing out the obvious?

I'm guessing that people who have trouble with Kelmomas being in the Golden Room at the appointed time, have trouble (consciously or not) with the conclusion of the book.

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Author Q&A / Re: Midlist Authors & Online Piracy
« on: August 03, 2017, 08:04:38 am »
I'm curious how you can get away with justifying that piracy is not theft because "nothing physical is taken".
That only makes sense if you believe that the issue has nothing to do with payment. Theft if taking something without paying, not simply removing something from anothers possession without permission.

When you wrongfully take something without paying, it's stealing, that's pretty basic. How does a taking a digital item from a digital store make a difference.

To me, by that logic, if someone took all the money from your bank account, it's not stealing because it's all just 1s and 0s? How is pirating a song any different?
It's called "getting your identity stolen" when someone gets enough digital info on you to buy stuff with your name. Is that not stealing? Again, how is that different than stealing an album?
For that matter, taking a record from a store is stealing, but as soon as it's online it's somehow not?

Argue that it's helpful if you want, but let's all call it what it is. Plain and simple, if someone is doing it, they're a thief. If that's not the case, please enlighten me.
If someone decides to give away their stuff for free and you get it, then you aren't pirating it. But otherwise, yes, that's theft.

Wilshire, you put it more eloquently than I could have. I had gotten as far as, 'so as technology changes, stealing is ok...?' / 'so if things are easily available, stealing is ok...?'

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Reading the Canon Artifact
« on: August 03, 2017, 07:58:09 am »
Great stuff, Madness...please keep it coming.

x 2

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Thoughs post-AMA slog
« on: August 03, 2017, 07:56:40 am »
The RAFOs
  1.  Significance of the 4121 deaths
  2.  People of Eanna...he RAFO'ed this like 4 times
  3.  Any mention of the potential survivors of the Ordeal
  4.  The Heron Spear

Confirmed we are gonna see Meppa again.  This pleases me.

He dodged the SHIT out of the statement regarding Shauriatis' fate, while in the same breath destroyed the Mangaecca.

Best quote for me "There's the matter of the last surviving full Dunyain Anasurimbor on the loose--that's what's been commanding my attention most these days."

Also his statement that he is now an exploratory writer.  Makes me a wee bit afraid for the No-God.  The whole exploratory writing thing never really sat well with me in the epic fantasy genre.  It's why I never really enjoyed Song of Ice and Fire.  There's no fun in re-reads when the man is just making up shit as he goes.  Read it once, experience it, then on the shelf it goes, to rot forever more.

All in all, a good solid chunk of shit that confirms(to me, anyway) that some of our crackpot theories are at least swinging in the proper direction, even if they remain crackpot.  I hope he manages to get back on and put some more down, so that I can such it dry(phrasing...boom!).
Keep in mind Frank Herbert made up shit as he went along and it turned out fine, for the most part. The fate of Shauriatis was a pleasant surprise. Keeping my eyes open for the 4121 thing.

Regarding the RAFO's, they are evocative, however, I bear in mind that RSB has apparently not planned out TNG as he had PON & TAE. So there is an ambiguous tension here.

 ;)

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I loved the book but man I still don't have a clue what the fuck happened.

[...]

We got like 3 fuckin' different conceptions of the absolute, a whole clusterfuck of ways to think about the soul/the Gods' blindness, and what Kellhus was really trying to do/what happened in the end.

Yup. Those different and conflicting conceptions are what makes it more realistic, just like here on Earth there are many conceptions.

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Hi littlegrice!

Impressive first post.


Predictions for the No-God
[...]
  3.  Some combination of the survivors of the Ordeal I listed above (maybe all?) will serve as the leaders of what's left of civilization in its undoubtedly pathetic attempt to stave of the Second Apocalypse.  Esmenet has forces mustered in some random city (I don't remember where) which will be wiped out in the second major defeat at the hands of the No-God, forcing them to seek shelter in the unforgiving arms of High Holy Zeum.  But to get there, they're gonna have to trespass on the ground owned by Moenghus and his Scylvendi.  That should be fun.  Moenghus and Serwa are going to have a Coming-to-Kellhus moment.  Probably not gonna be sweet.


I've been thinking about how any army could possibly offer any meaningful resistance against the No-God and his Sranc-horde. RSB mentioned that we have not seen the last of the Nonmen, so there are other powers at play.

Still, I was thinking about geography. To battle the Horde on any field is to invite disaster. As we have seen in TGO and elsewhere in smaller scale, if one is able to divide the Horde in manageable chunks through geography, then it might be possible to fight a running battle. Guerilla warfare, instead of open warfare. This should protect against the Whirlwind as well.

A well-timed Momasian earthquake or flooding would be very helpful as well, so get on it Thousand Temples.

Meanwhile, evacuate all souls that cannot take part in the battle.

All the while, one needs a more permanent solution. The Dunsult themselves, the Ark, the Carapace, they need to be wrecked somehow as well.


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General Misc. / Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
« on: August 01, 2017, 12:11:20 pm »
Emo Jon ;).

It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.

Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable.  Or at least, it certainly seems so.

The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2.  3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...

I won't be surprised if Martin doesn't have much in the way of layered surprises like Bakker had. The transgressive narrative Martin was building in '95 did push up against a lot of conventional story-telling (and inspired a hell of a lot of knock-on authors) but I don't think he ever intended to pull, say, an Abercrombie at the end of First Law.

Layered surprises are more suitable for prose, as images are not as ambiguous as language can be.

So the TV-series is at a disadvantage and Martin himself is doubly so. Readers will experience the future SOFAI novels as adaptations of the series, instead of the other way around, the writer riffing on his own adaptation.

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I'm not sure what the boat is, but I think it's quite possible that the overconfidence of the Consult was quite well-demonstrated by Nayu in TTT.  When he addresses Aurang-as-Bird he continues to tell it that it still doesn't get what it's now dealing with in the Dunyain.  He says something like "You assume nothing has changed.  I assure you, everything has changed."  It seems like the Consult eventually decided it was worth it to assault Ishual and thought that was the "getting it," but they still didn't, and the fools took Dunyain "captives." 
I'm firmly right here.
Its yet another example of how hubris leads to downfall. After all, whats to fear when you have them shackled, and when you've got magic? Nothing. Nothing that thousands of years of experience hasn't taught - that everything is within your control. Just as Triskele says "you assume nothing has changed" - and why would they? Nothing had changed in thousands of years.

^ This.

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Author Q&A / Re: Midlist Authors & Online Piracy
« on: August 01, 2017, 08:57:08 am »
The more time people spend consuming free media, the less time they spend consuming purchased media, the less money they spend. You can spike your samples any which way (the way IP foes do), cherry-pick countless happy scenarios, but it all comes down to this: people spending less, and content producers struggling more.

Being a Yar is bad enough. Being one who thinks they're actually doing good, on the other hand...
This isn't actually how the market has evolved though.  Consumers are spending just as much money as they ever have on legitimate media and the media industry isn't struggling.  The only difference is how that money is being allocated.  In the music industry, for example, people are buying less albums and singles.  That's the big bullet point record companies cite.  What they don't point out is that consumers make upo that difference and more with concert sales.  This results in individual artists making more per capita today and the big losers are the record labels which historically have played the role of middle men.  As I stated before the primary limiting factor of media spending isn't determined by anything media suppliers can manipulate.  Consumers simply have a finite amount of disposable income and they spend a certain amount of that income on media.

I was always interested in how you specifically would view this considering the major themes of TSA.  Copyright and IP isn't actually universal and has only been around for a few hundred years.  It's original intention was a form of censorship.  Creative arts have flourished before copyright and it flourishes today in markets with lax copyright laws.  In the West we've been conditioned to view copyright as an intrinsic right when the historically it's actually the anomoly.

I hesitate to even continue this debate since you are my favorite author and it would be easy for you to conclude that I'm advocating  "theft" of your work.  I'm not.  I'm just pointing out that the marketplace is ever evolving and we can't put the genie back in the box.  Good to artists have always found ways to profit from their work before and after the Internet.

As an artist myself, I find this line of reasoning selfserving, to say the least. It's very simple: if you go your local supermarket, you pay for your food, right? And I assume that, whatever work you do, you get paid for that as well, right? Just because something is available on the internet, it does not mean that it is not stealing, or that it won't have that effect. Why do you assume that it is different for artists? Scott has already reflected on the bizarre faults in logic that come with these justifications.

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Author Q&A / Re: Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*
« on: July 31, 2017, 09:36:16 pm »
Whale-mother action figures or riot.

Heron-spear glass bong please.

Carapace, fully openable and floatable. With Kelmomas and Nau-Cayuti action figurines that fit inside. With mail-in tags to complete the set with a Whirlwind diorama.

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Author Q&A / Re: Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*
« on: July 31, 2017, 09:16:15 pm »
I'd kill for a horde of sranc figurines, muahahaha. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

No way, think about what they'll actually look like. You'd get the jail for owning them lol

Well. They would be nice in porcelain!

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
« on: July 31, 2017, 07:21:26 pm »
Major derail, but am I the only one who automatically thinks The Next Generation (a la Star Trek) when I see TNG?  I know it means 'The No-God' but, still...  showing my age, I guess.

You're not the only one.

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General Misc. / Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
« on: July 31, 2017, 05:47:23 pm »
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.

Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable.  Or at least, it certainly seems so.

The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2.  3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...

I was laughing at Jon scowling through scene after scene, especially the cliff scene with Tyrion. Man, are we grumpy...

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General Misc. / Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
« on: July 31, 2017, 05:40:36 pm »
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.

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