I didn't include that only because we have Weapons of Animata (http://second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=979.0) and we were initially distinguishing the two because one kind seems to require souls, animas, and the other kind, listed in this thread, don't seem to...
The shining bronze sheets were gone - the Skûtiri. In Seswatha's day they had ringed the Turret's base, nine thousand, nine-hundred and ninety-nine of them, each taller than a man, and each scored with innumerable lines of sorcerous script.
Malowebi's "twin mahogany figurines—the fetishes that made possible the Iswazi Cant"
Malowebi's "twin mahogany figurines—the fetishes that made possible the Iswazi Cant"
The White Luck Warrior, Kindle edition, position 6641 (about 63% into the book).
Thanks! I have that in Ch 11 of WLW, pp376-7 US edition. The devices seem to be what allows Malowebi to do far-calling. Earwe's version of the mobile phone. :)
Also add to the list--the physical/sorcerous gate to the library of Sauglish:
"The entrance to the Coffers. To mundane eyes it was a wonder of scale and machination. To arcane eyes it was nothing less than a miracle of interlocking deformities..." WLW Chapter 1, p22 in US edition.
Oooh, and add the pouch from Yatwer where Sorweel hides a chorae.
Other possibly majik objects: the heron spear? the map case for ishual?
EDIT: Tried to remove the superfluous edit box and wanted to add--there's no mention of this object being magical, but it would fucking rock if it was: Enshoiya
EDIT2: Would like to add the Carapace. Just caught up on reading the Weapons of Animata thread. Help me out--it's not at all clear to me that there are magical objects apart from animata stuff. I assumed everything magic had a soul trapped in it, Mimara's knife, the Chariots, Kellhus' pretty chair, etc. Unwarranted assumption?
It is unnerving that Kellhus himself wouldn't communicate.
About Malowebi's far-calling devices, perhaps that kind of thing would let the Zeumi prince stay in contact with home.Very nice, especially about there being no light in the Thousand Thousand Halls.
Problems with that: Z isn't a sorcerer, so maybe he can't use the things OR it may be impossible for Zeum to reach him since he is on the move (if it works like far-calling and needs a compass).
If he has such devices, he may notice when Sorweel's little bag distorts the signal. THUS, Zsoronga becomes convinced that HE is the narindar and that Yatwer was using Sorweel to position Z.
Whatever happens, I do hope we see some really smart people exploiting the potential of sorcerous artifacts more in TUC. At Dagliash, Kellhus passes around magic lightning crossbows and bashrags swing flaming hammers.
No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enrunedMeppa is superstitious, its just a tinfoil hat to keep aliens form reading his mind.sunglassesheadbandthingamajig. No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree. Right?
Really want to know more about the whore's shell. If these are common objects, where do they come from? Mysunsai made? Local school stuff? Witch made? If witch made, then does that suggest some uneasy tolerance with keeping low level witches about for this kind of thing?
No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enrunedsunglassesheadbandthingamajig. No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree. Right?
No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enrunedsunglassesheadbandthingamajig. No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree. Right?
No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enrunedsunglassesheadbandthingamajig. No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree. Right?
Fuck yeah, that's great! It's a psukhe device that Old Moe uses to keep Meppa on mission. Speaking of which, psukhe devices? Nobody would know you have it until it you make it shoot out blue light. Let's say Fanayal has a necklace that does this--melts Esmi in her skin.
Lol...
so what did the Inchies use to enable Aurang to use sorcery then?
Grafted via the Tekne.
And a skin spy that can use sorcery, hmm...
Synthese? The no-god?
All crafted by the Tekne and use sorcerous components.
The inverse fire? Seriously - it shows you hell, same as the Daimos and the meta-gnosis.
Seems pretty consistent to me.
What's the important thing about Earwa?
It's could be something like Arakis, possessed of a pure substance or quality of meaning that just doesn't occur anywhere else in the universe.
Or Earwan sorcery could simply be the result of the Inchies exterminating every other ensouled race in the universe. Kind of concentrating the connection to the outside to Earwa because its the only place left where souls can be reborn.
We tend to assume that the outside is connected to Earwa, but it is primarily connected to souls.
I think it would be strange if the Inchoroi could do any sorcery before Earwa/meeting the Aporetics.
So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?
Or Earwan sorcery could simply be the result of the Inchies exterminating every other ensouled race in the universe. Kind of concentrating the connection to the outside to Earwa because its the only place left where souls can be reborn.
We tend to assume that the outside is connected to Earwa, but it is primarily connected to souls.
So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?
It's tecknology... How do our computers allow us to image a nebula light years away?
Earwan sorcery could simply be the result of the Inchies exterminating every other ensouled race in the universe. Kind of concentrating the connection to the outside to Earwa because its the only place left where souls can be reborn.
So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?
It's tecknology... How do our computers allow us to image a nebula light years away?
Advanced optics! Basically big mirrors focusing light :P. Thats a fit different than view an alternate dimension, though perhaps we just need bigger mirrors.
Did someone put Mimara's sun-skin mail on the list? If the Nonmen recognize Akka in Nil'giccas' armor, I wonder if Mimara will be spotted wearing someone's stuff too.
Perhaps Cleric's pouch belongs on the list: "the Nonman King's rune-stamped pouch" p. 579, WLW, US hardback. Maybe it's like Sorweel's pouch.
So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?It's tecknology... How do our computers allow us to image a nebula light years away?
Makes sense. Fire is hot cryo is cold cold and hot are inverseSo, how to explain the Inverse Fire?It's tecknology... How do our computers allow us to image a nebula light years away?
Yeah I definitely think it's tech not an artifact of sorcery.
One idea I was kicking around for a while was that the inverse flame was accidentally created while the inchoroi were designing some kind of cryo stasis technology for space travel. They developed the technology to put someone into a state of suspended animation and then resuscitate them. The suspended animation was effectively death and the person's soul was thrust into hell and than yanked back out when they were resuscitated. All of their test subjects came out of deep freeze screaming about hell and damnation. Some evolution of that technology could be the inverse flame.
Ultimately I don't actually think that that is how the inverse flame works but I bet it is in the same vein. Tech that accidentally leverages some metaphysical trick. It will undoubtedly be a super clever metaphysical trick knowing Bakker. Maybe there is a hint in the name?
In any case I think my idea provides at least an example of how pure tekne could create a window into hell.
Mind the subforums.
I would agree with the above. Sorcerous artefacts allow sorcerous intent to be imbued into them. This would make sense if we examine the other sorcerous artefacts - for example, why use a Wathi Doll? Why not just house the soul in anything?
Seems reasonable. Once the magic is broken, its just a physical barrier...
Why not just through a Chorae at it then?
Seems reasonable. Once the magic is broken, its just a physical barrier...
Why not just through a Chorae at it then?
As far I can tell, we saw that technology in field action:(click to show/hide)
Localized, impenetrable, invisibility shields. Slap the psuke in there and it bears no mark.(click to show/hide)
As far I can tell, we saw that technology in field action:
The no god was destroyed by the heron spearActually, as a consult fanboy, I hope that No-God was not destroyed, but launched. Like the carapace was less a body or an armor and more a mobile launching pad or a sort of metaphysical egg. That's why there is no "first" or "second" apocalypse, there is just apocalypse and it's purely successfull phases. >:з
On the other hand akka has an onscreen dream that says the heron spear did not work.Hmm, good catch. I totally forgot about that. Could you tell me where
The no god was destroyed by the heron spearActually, as a consult fanboy, I hope that No-God was not destroyed, but launched. Like the carapace was less a body or an armor and more a mobile launching pad or a sort of metaphysical egg. That's why there is no "first" or "second" apocalypse, there is just apocalypse and it's purely successfull phases. >:з
srsly tho, airborne chariots--does that include airborne horses? because why not just ride the horses into the sky?Because that's how Wutteat was born. A darkest, most obscene & certainly expunged page in the history of ur-nonmen ur-sorcery.
srsly tho, airborne chariots--does that include airborne horses? because why not just ride the horses into the sky?Because that's how Wutteat was born. A darkest, most obscene & certainly expunged page in the history of ur-nonmen ur-sorcery.
PS I'm protecting my joke with cants of internets http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFogOfAges
i was thinking about why the nonmen would prefer chariots to just walking the sky. here's what i think...
- chariot can do barrel rolls and cool evasive action shit
- the chariot that visits the Great Ordeal had 3 dudes in it. ideal for 1 pilot, 2 gunners
- chariots supped up to go fast, faster than dragons maybe
hey, do we know if those chariots have horses? what's going on with those horses? are they just normal horses all spelled-up or what? are they like anagogic horses? are there no horses?
He peered, squinted as much out of disbelief as against the high sun. He saw black horses - a team of four. He saw wheels...
A chariot, he realized. A flying chariot.
The sky-chariot banked toward the Prince-Imperial and swung to earth. The hooves of the blacks bit hard into the denuded turf, and wings of dust and gravel sprawled about their glossy flanks.
QuoteThe sky-chariot banked toward the Prince-Imperial and swung to earth. The hooves of the blacks bit hard into the denuded turf, and wings of dust and gravel sprawled about their glossy flanks.
So, yeah, horses...