The Second Apocalypse

Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Unholy Consult => Topic started by: Omnirom on July 24, 2017, 11:36:30 pm

Title: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: Omnirom on July 24, 2017, 11:36:30 pm
For the whole series of books.

Defeat being snatched from the jaws of victory as Teknowlogy usurping our humanity the moment we find our truths. 

The gods as eternal-ish human concepts of War, Fate, Birth, etc.  Ajokli at war with them.

The series; the hardcore philosopher Bakker using epic fantasy as the framework to trickster us into understanding The Spaces Between The Gods ?
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: Wilshire on July 25, 2017, 01:03:54 pm
I think there's probably a lot to that, actually.

With TUC completed it might be fair to start attempting to decipher what the 'point' of TUC is, beyond writing the story itself.

If you are interested, reading Bakker's other fictional works might be partially enlightening. He seems to spend a great deal of time talking about ... something ... and even his nonfiction that I've been able to decipher seems to coincide. Basically, he likes to use analogies and fiction to help explain the concepts of his nonfiction musings to an audience well beyond the close knit, in-group, cabal of philosophers that such ideas typically stagnate in.

So, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with reading deeply into who/what Ajokli is, or what he's supposed to mean/represent, to us as the readers.
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: Madness on July 25, 2017, 01:40:25 pm
Someone get profgrape and MG in here so they can wax on about the use of spider imagery.
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: H on July 25, 2017, 04:37:01 pm
Soneone will correct me, (i.e. Madness) but Bakker did in a podcast interview with some "Grimdark" thing or other liken the role of the dungeon master, a la, D&D, to the role of a "dark god," which signified Ajokli to me.
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: Madness on July 25, 2017, 04:41:40 pm
Grim Tidings Podcast Interview with R. Scott Bakker (http://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-fnxeq-612847)

I also recommend listening to the Abercrombie and Erikson episodes.
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: H on July 25, 2017, 04:42:50 pm
Quote from: Madness on July 25, 2017, 04:41:40 pm
Grim Tidings Podcast Interview with R. Scott Bakker (http://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-fnxeq-612847)

I also recommend listening to the Abercrombie and Erikson episodes.

I knew you'd come through for my old-man memory...
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: Madness on July 25, 2017, 04:54:49 pm
No worries :).

Hardly an old man.
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: H on July 25, 2017, 04:57:41 pm
Quote from: Madness on July 25, 2017, 04:54:49 pm
No worries :).

Hardly an old man.

They say it's how you feel...

I feel old.
Title: Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Ajokli as metaphor ?
Post by: Madness on July 25, 2017, 05:01:04 pm
We'll have to retitle you "Old Man H."