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[TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi souls

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littlegrice:
Random thought:
  What if, because the Gods cannot see the Inchoroi, they don't count?  The whole point is sealing off the world from the outside, and if the outside only sees 144,000 souls, then that's all she wrote.  Could be a billion of em, but if the Gods can't see, the Gods don't care, so they move on, or die, or whatever it is Gods with no worshipers do.  Also, I seem to remember one of the Inchoroi (or one of the Consult) saying they had reduced other worlds to 144,000, only to find themselves still damned, so their whole plan might just be flawed from the get-go.

Inchoboi:
Bakker's post in the Q&A thread re: Kelmomas having "no identity" makes me think that the Confluence is "the soul" because it's where the brainy processes maintain the "you" of your identity. I'm not sure what's wrong with lil Kel to cause the lack of identity  (i.e. why do Sammi and Kel constantly  "soul-swap".) He's insane and has no Confluence? 

Baaadly paraphrasing, he's described by Serwa(?) as a machine programmed to something like dominate his mothers love, or some such, perhaps due to his Dunyain brain processes. In any event, whatever causes or caused it Kelmomas has no true identity, no "soul"... somehow since he's "nobody" he can make the Object work. Wonder if Nau-Cayuti had some sanity issues of his own, or even outside forces causing him to enter such an identity-less state if such is what's required.

This train of thought could  coincide nicely with the Erratic's soul eluding a Ciphrang Bakker on Q&A says the implication is that the Erratic had obtained/reached Oblivion. So does an Erratic have a proper (ly functioning) Confluence? Does he have a true identity? Are the two the same thing?

It's interesting that at times it seems like in a way,  Khellus is all about the loss of identity,  examples "The place that was Khellus", "Here, always here." (Serwa as well seems to show signs of this state on TUC after taking Qirri right?)

What's the difference between Khellus' version of this and Kel's? Is there a difference? Khellus seems aware of himself "becoming here", he seems to be aware of everything! Something to do with the Thousandfold Thought? Is big K GAINING identity when he does this?
Would the No-God have worked with Khellus at all?

Inchoroi MUST have souls, Aurang says "I would save my soul". Their damnation is their goad, we're led to believe.

What implications could soul = identity have on the skin spy sorceror? Could there have been someone else's soul in there, or did it have its own. "Who" was it?

generalguy:

--- Quote from: Swayal Serpent on July 31, 2017, 11:59:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cynical Cat on July 31, 2017, 11:06:51 am ---Remember, artificiality doesn't affect whether or not you have a soul.  The Skin Spy who was able to work sorcery had a soul and so do a few apes and whales.  Yes, the Inchoroi had souls.  As for the number "a thousand thousand", that's simply a chronicler's way of saying "there's a fuckton of those bastards."  Numbers are really unreliable in pre modern history (and that's ignoring the arguments one can have over numbers and statistics.)

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I didn't really think that artificiality necessarily precluded having a soul, just that it's usually some crazy fluke when it happens. As for a thousand thousand of them, I probably was taking that a bit literally. As for the Dunyain explaining that Sil created the inverse fire to remind them of their damnnation, I must have missed reading that part. I suppose that's the final nail for my theory. Ah well, guess I'll just file this one under crackpot

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Sil didn't create the IF he salvaged it from wreck of the ark and then kept it as desk toy

SmilerLoki:

--- Quote from: littlegrice on August 01, 2017, 12:32:56 am ---Also, I seem to remember one of the Inchoroi (or one of the Consult) saying they had reduced other worlds to 144,000, only to find themselves still damned

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That was Wutteat in Sauglish.

The Sharmat:
The Inchoroi are artificial in the sense a designer baby is artificial. They are derived from the Progenitors and endowed with souls so their appetites might damn them, binding them irrevocably to the mission their creators set for them out of their personal natures and self interest. It's really rather ingenious and ensures they'd carry on beyond all memory of the greater race that spawned them. The end of the book can be a blur especially when marathoned during an emotional high like I tend to do with these, but this is explained quite explicitly and should be made clear on a re-read.

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