The Second Apocalypse
Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Great Ordeal => Topic started by: incuroi on February 13, 2017, 09:37:33 am
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Anybody else glad that nin'janjin got his revenge at the end and that cujara got 'shafted' so to speak. Like honestly Cujara is kind of the architect of his own race's demise.
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Anybody else glad that nin'janjin got his revenge at the end and that cujara got 'shafted' so to speak. Like honestly Cujara is kind of the architect of his own race's demise.
I'm not sure I'm glad, but both Cû’jara-Cinmoi and Nin’janjin both behaved pretty shortsightedly, both pre-Pir-Pahal and post.
I'm not sure either really got "what they deserved" as such, but Cû’jara-Cinmoi is definitely eminently responsible for the Inchoroi even having a chance of defeating the Nonmen. In the end though, it's a story of really all-too-human hubris though. Which is part of the sort of parable that the Nonmen (and Inchoroi) are, as examples of the dangers of Post-Humanism.
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Which is part of the sort of parable that the Nonmen (and Inchoroi) are, as examples of the dangers of Post-Humanism.
The path is so narrow.
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Which is part of the sort of parable that the Nonmen (and Inchoroi) are, as examples of the dangers of Post-Humanism.
The path is so narrow.
Not to mention, I just watched Arrival with my wife over the weekend. I think it's pretty safe to say that if there was actually an Arkfall on Earth, what would happen wouldn't be far from what happened on Earwa.
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I'm really hoping that Nin'Janjin shows up in TUC, even if he's completely in the midst of the Dolour and spends all his time staring at the Inverse Fire.
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I'm really hoping that Nin'Janjin shows up in TUC, even if he's completely in the midst of the Dolour and spends all his time staring at the Inverse Fire.
Especially if the idea that the Inverse Fire might keep the Nonmen somewhat intact. I'm not sure I buy that, but it would be neat for sure. I mean, if Nil'Giccas can be alive in the wild, I don't see why Nin'Janjin couldn't be.
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Especially if the idea that the Inverse Fire might keep the Nonmen somewhat intact. I'm not sure I buy that, but it would be neat for sure. I mean, if Nil'Giccas can be alive in the wild, I don't see why Nin'Janjin couldn't be.
I've got a whole theory on that. Will post to a new thread. :-)
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I've got a whole theory on that. Will post to a new thread. :-)
I knew someone did, but I couldn't recall who...
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I've got a whole theory on that. Will post to a new thread. :-)
I knew someone did, but I couldn't recall who...
I'm waiting profgrape. :) I love new theories.
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Especially if the idea that the Inverse Fire might keep the Nonmen somewhat intact.
I like that idea. Time to parasitize on it! Without measure and in a big way!
1) Fire, as a mundane image, is a dangerous phenomenon because of it's especial capability to damage the skin -- to violate the most physical and visible border between someone's conciousness and the world.
2) Inverse Fire, as an opposition of a said image, flashes out from the deepest chasms of conciousness. But what riverbeds will that "mind magma" flow? Will it burn things like neurons & memories or interaction will be benevolent (remember the whole inversion thing)?
3) I'm betting on "optimising the mind" scenario. Sentient beings with Inverse Fire have no redundancy or inefficiency in their conciousnesses -- that includes things like remorse and empathy or crappy memory system which is prone to overflow with years.
So, that is it. Inverse Fire is just a hotfix for bugs introduced by immortality patch and cunuroi were just so inept at updating.
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So, that is it. Inverse Fire is just a hotfix for bugs introduced by immortality patch and cunuroi were just so inept at updating.
Love it.
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I think someone once proposed the possibility of the Inverse Fire as a bootstrap before, but now I can't recall who.
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Its come up before.
Pretty small step from the erratic's methods of maintaining memory - pain and atrocity - to using a device that shows you the most pain imaginable to force memories to stick around.
Bonus if it actually erases some files, freeing up hard drive space.
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That, or it shows you as Mimara sees you when TJE opens.
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I loved the reveals about Nin'janjin and the Viroi that we got in TGO. Basically the Samurai of Nonmen.
There's also an interesting line somewhere during the Battle of Dagliash in which the Sranc are referred to as "Sons of Nin'Janjin". I wonder if perhaps Nin'janjin was the first specimen the Inchoroi used to crack the Nonman's bios and create the Sranc? Might also be how they learned how to make the first Inoculation for Nin'janjin himself.
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Anybody else glad that nin'janjin got his revenge at the end and that cujara got 'shafted' so to speak. Like honestly Cujara is kind of the architect of his own race's demise.
Dunno if it's "engineer@prometeus" aestethics with all their marble skin and perfection, but cunuroi always looked to me like an equivalent of olympian gods. Where ciphrangs are titans and inchoroi reside among chtonic monsters, nonmen are humans exaggerated in everything.
So, yes, I`m glad.
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I loved the reveals about Nin'janjin and the Viroi that we got in TGO. Basically the Samurai of Nonmen.
There's also an interesting line somewhere during the Battle of Dagliash in which the Sranc are referred to as "Sons of Nin'Janjin". I wonder if perhaps Nin'janjin was the first specimen the Inchoroi used to crack the Nonman's bios and create the Sranc? Might also be how they learned how to make the first Inoculation for Nin'janjin himself.
Good catch, I think such a thing is almost certain.
Also, his bios is almost assuredly what they used to fashion the Immortality Treatment, AKA the Womb Plague.
Ironically enough, the Womb Plague is so doubly Cû’jara-Cinmoi's fault, since he forced Nin'janjin's hand by denying them help and even capitalizing on an exigent disaster to consolidate his (and Siöl's) own power. It's plausbile that the Inchoroi would have eventually captured a Nonman and so reverse engineered their bios anyway, but considering that the Womb Plauge came as a side effect to the Inchoroi attempting to actually save their Nonman allies, there may well have been Sranc and Bashrags, but no Womb Plauge if Viri (and so Nin'janjin's) hand were not so forced.
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Surely the womb plague was the main plan all along though? They gave them the immortality as a way in, otherwise why would the Cunoroi let them "operate" on them?
So the WP was not a side effect at all. It was intended from the start, and they used Nin as a pawn to entice the others in.
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Surely the womb plague was the main plan all along though? They gave them the immortality as a way in, otherwise why would the Cunoroi let them "operate" on them?
So the WP was not a side effect at all. It was intended from the start, and they used Nin as a pawn to entice the others in.
Bakker has said it started as a way to make their Nonman allies immortal, just like them. It inadvertently had the side effect of killing the women and so the Inchoroi rolled it out to everyone, knowing full well what would happen.
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Surely the womb plague was the main plan all along though? They gave them the immortality as a way in, otherwise why would the Cunoroi let them "operate" on them?
So the WP was not a side effect at all. It was intended from the start, and they used Nin as a pawn to entice the others in.
Bakker has said it started as a way to make their Nonman allies immortal, just like them. It inadvertently had the side effect of killing the women and so the Inchoroi rolled it out to everyone, knowing full well what would happen.
Link to RSB's answer on the Womb-Plague:
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1865.msg27782#msg27782
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Anybody else glad that nin'janjin got his revenge at the end and that cujara got 'shafted' so to speak. Like honestly Cujara is kind of the architect of his own race's demise.
I'm not sure I'm glad, but both Cû’jara-Cinmoi and Nin’janjin both behaved pretty shortsightedly, both pre-Pir-Pahal and post.
I'm not sure either really got "what they deserved" as such, but Cû’jara-Cinmoi is definitely eminently responsible for the Inchoroi even having a chance of defeating the Nonmen. In the end though, it's a story of really all-too-human hubris though. Which is part of the sort of parable that the Nonmen (and Inchoroi) are, as examples of the dangers of Post-Humanism.
HARD TO ACT SHORT-SIGHTED ABOUT WHAT IS HIDING IN INVISIBLE IGNORANCE