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General Earwa / Re: Eärwa Maps
« on: November 26, 2014, 06:21:40 pm »
Quite true -- I think I was so caught up with the awesomeness of the map that I missed the date entirely!
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General Earwa / Re: Eärwa Maps
« on: November 26, 2014, 01:38:31 pm »
Brilliant work, Som.
A very minor note: Marrow is included on a map from the iBook version of WLW. It's west of Cil-Aujas on the river; perhaps a similar distance from Cil-Aujas as Maimor.
A very minor note: Marrow is included on a map from the iBook version of WLW. It's west of Cil-Aujas on the river; perhaps a similar distance from Cil-Aujas as Maimor.
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 26, 2014, 03:17:07 am »It would be incredible if Kellhus' abilities have come so far that he could faifthfully rebuild those lost classic texts by virtue of pure deduction and the time he's spent in the Three Seas.
That's definitely where things get a bit sketchy. My best explanation is that Kellhus:
1. Has a link with Seswatha. Most likely formed when he "spoke" with him in TTT.
2. Has received additional information through the link. Either because Seswatha is helping him or through sorcerous coercion.
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 25, 2014, 05:40:23 pm »
The timing of when Akka's Dreams changed is somewhat ambiguous. When Akka tells Mimara about the changes, he starts by saying "I'm not even sure when it began happening."
We do know, however, that it was at least a year and change before the start of TJE. After he dreams of Seswatha stubbing his toe, he states:
Then he has the dream about scolding the student and "two months" after that, he dreams about reading Gotagga's Paropolis. This is the point where he becomes convinced that the dreams are real. But after that, it's hard to get a sense of how much time passes. It definitely seems to be a matter a years, though.
As to who's behind it all, Kellhus remains my top choice. He's likely the most powerful sorcerer in the world -- sending dreams would be easy for him. And subtle manipulation over a period of years sounds like exactly the sort of thing you'd expect from a Dunyain.
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We do know, however, that it was at least a year and change before the start of TJE. After he dreams of Seswatha stubbing his toe, he states:
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"And of course the next night it was back to the Dreams as I knew them. Back to the blood and the fire and the horror. A year passed, maybe more..."
Then he has the dream about scolding the student and "two months" after that, he dreams about reading Gotagga's Paropolis. This is the point where he becomes convinced that the dreams are real. But after that, it's hard to get a sense of how much time passes. It definitely seems to be a matter a years, though.
As to who's behind it all, Kellhus remains my top choice. He's likely the most powerful sorcerer in the world -- sending dreams would be easy for him. And subtle manipulation over a period of years sounds like exactly the sort of thing you'd expect from a Dunyain.
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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Elju for Consult Erratics
« on: November 25, 2014, 02:29:03 am »
"Far more numerous..." is all we get. So more than enough for 1:1. Good idea!
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The White-Luck Warrior / Elju for Consult Erratics
« on: November 25, 2014, 12:25:13 am »
When Sorweel is watching the Ten-Yoke Legion through Eskeles' scrying spell, he notes that a number of Nonmen Erratics "policed the column's flanks," and later observes that "scarcely a hundred of them accompanied the host."
If Erratics need elju to keep them tethered to the present, then who is filling this role for the Nonmen in the Legion? I know that Mek's elju was a Sranc. But I just can't believe that this is common by any stretch.
We also know that from Scott himself that "[a] few hundred serve Golgotterath." Which sounds like need a whole lot of elju.
If Erratics need elju to keep them tethered to the present, then who is filling this role for the Nonmen in the Legion? I know that Mek's elju was a Sranc. But I just can't believe that this is common by any stretch.
We also know that from Scott himself that "[a] few hundred serve Golgotterath." Which sounds like need a whole lot of elju.
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 25, 2014, 12:10:17 am »
Alright Madness, as you can clearly see, we can't resolve this without additional information. Would you please be so kind as to oblige, if only in the interest of harmony for all?
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 24, 2014, 04:46:13 pm »...and elsewhere we are told that it was Celmomas who lead the heartbreaking assault on the Golgotterath’s gates in the early days of the Apocalypse.
Are you sure about this? TTT's glossary mentions during the Great Investiture, there were a number of "disasterous" assaults. But I've been unable to find a reference that links Celmomas to a specific assault on Golgotterath's gates.
It might have been General Sag-Marmau, who led the Second Investiture, hanging from the rope. That one was probably more heartbreaking since it ended with the awakening of the no-god whereas the first dispersed due to fragmentation and surprise Sranc assaults.
I was thinking the same thing, Bolivar! And then I found this:
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Sag-Margmau and the greater glory of Kuniuri were annihilated.
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 22, 2014, 02:09:12 pm »
I had the same reaction, Trisk, "How the fuck did I miss this the last N times I read this book?!?" Beyond any sub textual meaning, it's a very nice piece of prose. Context is every, I guess. :-)
At this point in the story, Akka's Dreams had shifted from routine Seswatha to the more substantive stuff. He has, for example, already learned about Ishual although we as readers don't get this information until later in the book.
If Seswatha is the one pulling the strings, it seems like he might be trying to use Akka against Khellus.
At this point in the story, Akka's Dreams had shifted from routine Seswatha to the more substantive stuff. He has, for example, already learned about Ishual although we as readers don't get this information until later in the book.
If Seswatha is the one pulling the strings, it seems like he might be trying to use Akka against Khellus.
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General Earwa / Re: Crazy Ass Speculation Thread
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:56:13 pm »Regardless, to put a twist on your theory: Achamian is the possesed person, but it's not a Ciphrang that's possessing him. It's Seswatha.If true, it would certainly explain a few things. The question is, does Kellhus know about the "possession"?
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:53:50 pm »
I re-read part of TJE last night and found a passage that takes on a different tone if Akka's dreams are an unintentional consequence of Kellhus unlocking Seswatha. Delicious irony in bold:
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"Do you know," he asks, exhaling a cloud of sweet-smelling smoke. "why Seswatha left us his dreams?"
She knows the answer. Her mother always resorted to talk of Achamian to salve the abrasians between her and her embittered daughter. Because he was her real father, Mimara had always thought. "To assure the School of mandate never forgets, never loses sight of its mission."
"That's what they say," Achamian replies, savouring his smoke. "That the Dreams are a goad to action, a call to arms. That by suffering the First Apocalypse over and over, we had no choice but to war against the possibility of the Second."
"You think otherwise?"
A shadow falls across his face. "I think the your adoptive father, our glorious, all-conquering Aspect-Emperor, is right." The hatred is plain in his voice.
"Kellhus?" she asks.
An old man shrug -- an ancient gesture hung on failing bones. "He says it himself, Every life is a cipher..." Another deep inhalation. A riddle."
"And you think Seswatha's life is such."
"I know it is."
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 20, 2014, 08:16:09 pm »
Super cool, Som!
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 20, 2014, 04:49:03 pm »Quote
It says in the text, either TJE or WLW, that Kellhus is the only schoolman with the gnosis that did not grasp the heart.
Right. And I don't think the dreams are fabricated. So if they're coming from Khellus, it suggests that he's developed his own Grasping-like link to Seswatha. Knowing Khellus, I could easily imagine him using that link in ways never imagined -- like exploring visions from Seswatha's progeny.
Another way, way wackier idea is that Khellus is using his connection to the NG to learn about Nau-Cayuti's last days. As many have suggested, it certainly seems like the NC dreams are a device for letting us know how the NG was summoned.
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:32:06 am »
Thanks Som!
After the first dream, Akka tells Nautzera of the skin spies and that "the Consult still plies the Three Seas." What's interesting is that Akka considers telling Naut that an Anasurimbor has returned but inexplicably decides against it. It almost seems like Akka was supposed to tell him but didn't.
After the second dream, Akka finally tells Naut that "an Anasurimbor has returned." It's toward the beginning of TTT so maybe it's connected to Khellus being crucified on the circumfix?
After the first dream, Akka tells Nautzera of the skin spies and that "the Consult still plies the Three Seas." What's interesting is that Akka considers telling Naut that an Anasurimbor has returned but inexplicably decides against it. It almost seems like Akka was supposed to tell him but didn't.
After the second dream, Akka finally tells Naut that "an Anasurimbor has returned." It's toward the beginning of TTT so maybe it's connected to Khellus being crucified on the circumfix?
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General Earwa / Re: *If* Khellus is sending the NC dreams...
« on: November 18, 2014, 07:58:35 pm »Quote
I don't think they do, but I have no proof. We know, at least, that the intensity of the dreams seems to be shared, based on Nautzera's commentary to Akka. This might point to them having the same dreams, but not necessarily. For some reason I think they all dream different dreams.
I'm inclined to agree that the dreams are different per-person. Although I don't have proof either.
There's an interesting implication if we assume that 1) the dreams are individualized and 2) the timing matters -- it suggests that the timing of dream selection is based on what the dreamer is going to experience! Another case of what comes after influencing what comes before.
