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The Almanac: PON Edition / The Slog TWP - Part One: The First March [Spoilers]
« on: December 18, 2015, 03:13:00 pm »
Just finished chapter 1.

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Staring at Serwë, not because she reminded him of Esmi—as he told himself—but because the way she stared at Kellhus worried him—as though she knew something …

Hmm, seemingly more evidence to the Serwë as being central to Kellhus' eventually prophet status.

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“How is it that … that you see these things? No matter how deep I peer …”
“Ah,” Kellhus laughed. “You’re starting to sound like my father’s tutors.”

His father's tutors?  So, the Pragma?

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Who am I? he would often think, listening to Kellhus’s melodious voice. What do you see?

This is a curious quote...foreshadowing perhaps?

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Five: The Holy War [Spoilers]
« on: December 18, 2015, 01:00:49 pm »
Finished the book, glad to be through, WP will be the longest of our Slog.

EDIT: Nearly forgot this part:

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“Thousands of years ago, when the Dûnyain first found—”
“After the ancient wars?” Kellhus eagerly interrupted. “When we were still refugees?”

So, they do teach young Kellhus at least something of ancient history...

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. . . even though the skin-spies were exposed relatively early in the course of the Holy War, most believed the Cishaurim rather than the Consult to be responsible. This is the problem of all great revelations: their significance so often exceeds the frame of our comprehension. We understand only after, always after. Not simply when it is too late, but precisely because it is too late.
—DRUSAS ACHAMIAN, COMPENDIUM OF THE FIRST HOLY WAR

I found the most interesting thing to be the above, the epigraph of chapter 19.

While I have reservations about the Serwë as a god-maker, yet this chapter begins with her and Kellhus is presenting her with the rhetoric of her "meaning."

But then there is the part with Akka:

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After three hundred years, he, Drusas Achamian, had rediscovered the Consult. After two thousand years, he, Drusas Achamian, had witnessed the return of an Anasûrimbor. Anagkë, the Whore of Fate, had chosen him for these burdens! It wasn’t his place to ask why. Nor could such questions relieve him of his burden.

I am not really on board with Akka as Anagkë's agent.  More like, Seswatha's really.  I've always maintained that the parallel between Seswatha and Akka is somewhat strong.  Gnostic sorcerer, once friend of an Anasûrimbor emperor then estranged, partly by the love of a favored wife.

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“You are the first, Chigra,” Skeaös wheezed—an ambient, horrifying whisper. “And you will be the last . . .”

The first what?  The first to resist the Consult?

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2015, 09:00:21 pm »
Quote from: Bolivar on December 17, 2015, 08:41:02 pm
Yeah I just can't get around that line how, whatever it is he found, it would have been innocuous if not for his Mandate training. Maybe it was something sorcerous? I don't know, I think it's just supposed to go with the overall revelation that the Consult is real and they're involved in the Three Seas.

Yeah, but is it just window dressing by Bakker with no window?  We know that Maithanet didn't have anything to do with the Consult though, so I can't even think of anything that would have drawn Inrau to that conclusion.  This is fast becoming my personal "dragons wearing chorae," haha.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Five: The Holy War [Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2015, 07:21:59 pm »
Finished chapter 16.

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And yet he still found himself troubled . . . Something odd about his Prime Counsel’s manner.

This is the first mention of Xerius noticing anything odd about Skeaös, which still, to me, points to him being replaced rather recently.


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Literature / Re: Steven Erikson (The 3.5 million word journey?)
« on: December 17, 2015, 03:14:57 pm »
Well, it kind of bothers me that I don't like it.  So, I kept trying to find my way into it...it just never worked out.

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Literature / Re: Steven Erikson (The 3.5 million word journey?)
« on: December 17, 2015, 02:18:09 pm »
I've tried to read Gardens of the Moon 3 times.  I've never really made it all that far though.  It really isn't the story, but something about the writing that constantly has me off  to it at all times.

I'm not articulate enough to really put a firm hold on what it is, but I can't really bring myself to keep trying.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Four: The Warrior [Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2015, 01:39:00 pm »
Well, I think this is what you refer to:

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In the effort to transform themselves into the perfect expression of the Logos, the Dûnyain have bent their entire existence to mastering the irrationalities that determine human thought: history, custom, and passion.

While it's kind of silly to think in these terms, their "mastering" of history is the repudiation of it.  They purposely ignore history, in order to attempt to be a-historical.

I have my doubts that this works though, even in the context of Earwa.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Three: The Harlot [Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2015, 12:23:17 pm »
Well, the glamour already had her totally ensorcelled, it would seem to me that it wouldn't take much to disguise a small cant as a slap.

Then again, maybe we are missing something simple, like the man being a skin-spy and the Synthese simply being present to interrogate her.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2015, 12:17:46 pm »
Well, one of the few things I remember of my very first read (ages and ages ago) was that it seemed to me that Maithanet was working with the Consult.  So, maybe that it the point of that part, to draw us off what is really going on.

As to what he did find, I'm still not sure.  Maybe one day we can ask Bakker what he was aiming at there.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Four: The Warrior [Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2015, 12:02:37 pm »
On the one hand, I have the strongest feelings that while Kellhus is decieving everyone along his way here, he is also deceiving us, the readers.

In this way, I very much doubt what he says of his mission.  It rings to easily of exactly what Cnaiür wants to hear.

Just finished chapter 14.

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He’d suffered so many dreams of Anasûrimbor Celmomas of late, and now this, a waking vision of the world’s ancient end. A Scylvendi!

And yet, only a couple pages later, Akka is presented with the real reason for the dreams, but doesn't put the two together.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Five: The Holy War [Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2015, 11:09:15 am »
Quote from: MSJ on December 17, 2015, 08:02:30 am
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After three hundred years, he, Drusas Achamian, had rediscovered the Consult. After two thousand years , he, Drusas Achamian, had witnessed the return of an Anasûrimbor . Anagkë, the Whore of Fate, had chosen him for these burdens! It wasn’t his place to ask why. Nor could such questions relieve him of his burden.

We know Yatwer has tools in this war, and I've heard Kelmommas could be a tool of one of them (I forget the name). So, is this a tell that Akka is a tool of Anagkë? He constantly, throughout the books remarks how he is a Whore of fate.

Well, I'm willing to concede that Akka is almost certainly a tool, but not of Anagkë.  No, I'd be more willing to bet he's used by Seswatha, or someone else.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Four: The Warrior [Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:06:25 pm »
Quote from: Wilshire on December 16, 2015, 08:00:30 pm
Serwe herself doesn't appear to have seen or held her own baby

Well, her baby being stillborn is plausible, but every baby born by a salve or concubine being stillborn really just isn't.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2015, 06:10:30 pm »
Quote from: Wilshire on December 16, 2015, 05:11:55 pm
If you say so... but to me, the last revelation is simply the last revelation form the previous page. Inrau realizes that he would give anything, everything, pay any price, to repay his teacher. Also, he realized he believed I  the consult still, and that no price was to high to stop the second apocalypse.
It's all right there in the pages. His entire thought pattern is fragmented, spirals in on itself, and continously repeats. This is shown with the initial thought he gives us "my life". We start in the middle, but hes just repeating the same arguments and thoughts so it's fine.

Every time I reread that part, I get more confused than I was before.  I'll have to get to do a re-re-re-read again at some point.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2015, 04:28:11 pm »
Quote from: Wilshire on December 16, 2015, 03:29:58 pm
I still don't see a connection at all. His timeline starts with him entering a building. He hasn't found anything yet, and he is yearning to forget his allegiance and debt to his old teacher. He says as much.

At what point do you guys think he found something?

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Sure the bird says he was in the shriah's apartment, but that hardly implies he found anything.

Inrau is a boy torn between loves. Between a man that saved his life, and a man he gave his life too. There are whole paragraphs of him mulling over this dilemma and then specifically crying to himself to forget

Well, his quote implies he found something, "then this last heartbreaking revelation" seems to imply a revelation after the Scarlet Spires information.

Quote from: locke on December 16, 2015, 03:25:55 pm
Mandate also teaches dead languages, not just consult knowledge.

So, perhaps correspondance with Moe(?) in Dûnyanic, which he would then be able to read, since he knows Kûniüri?

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part Four: The Warrior [Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2015, 02:34:52 pm »
Quote from: Wilshire on December 16, 2015, 02:08:29 pm
Yep, something about belief and conviction make truth.

As for the baby though,  that chick is crazy.

Considering how she went from coddled, to thrown to the wolves, to further wolves, can't say I'd blame her.

Quote from: Wilshire on December 16, 2015, 02:08:29 pm
Crackpot, the dreams sent to the dunyain were sent by future ascended god kellhus, telling him to kill his son Moenghus at shimeh, where he is born. "Send me my son", kellhus asking himself to send his no-son to the afterlife. Moenghus Jr is the no-god.

Did this just turn into Book of the New Sun?

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