[Madness]

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The original Face Dancers themselves seemed of vastly more advanced intelligence than the skin-spies, in terms of thinking and planning for themselves. Bakker's thing is truly a creature of nothingness.

I figure Dunyain + Tekne is an inevitability.

Lmao!

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TSTSNBN = God-Emperor of Dune
Children of children in TAE or survivors of the Second Apocalypse = Siona/Duncan/Hwi
Kellhus = Leto but the reader doesn't get Kellhus' perspective

[mrganondorf]

This stuff about Bakker worried that TUC will be too much of an info-bomb for the reader, I hope that doesn't mean he's regretting doing too little foreshadowing so far.  Seems unlikely but idk.

[Madness]

I don't think it means that. I think that what he combines in his head with the foreshadowing and what we expect to see are two different things. Plus... we get Ishterebinth, the Consult, Nau-Cayuti inside the Ark, etc... how can it not fill in gaps in our knowledge?

[mrganondorf]

I'm hoping for a big revelation about Aurax.  I bet the whole point of having two surviving Inchoroi is to have one in the field, effectively hiding the other until the big reveal.  Aurang is killed at Dagliash and Kellhus/whoever meets Aurang at the end.

[mrganondorf]

Got to be a moment where Akka kneels/does not kneel before Kellhus.  Final scene has Kellhus kneeling before Akka?  Both kneeling before someone else?  Both standing over a kneeler?

EDIT: With all the parallels between Akka/Kellhus and Seswatha/Nau-Cayuti, I wonder if we'll get a revelation about Seswatha's 'Esmi'?  Seswatha might leave that part out of the standard mandate dream curriculum. 

[Wilshire]

I am excited about the kneeling scene as well. Seswatha kneeled over Celmomas' dying body

[Somnambulist]

I am excited about the kneeling scene as well. Seswatha kneeled over Celmomas' dying bod

Akka may very well kneel before Kel before all is said and done, but probably not under the circumstances we might think.  As for the Seswatha/Celmomas scene, I like to think it will rather be between Akka/Proyas.  I somehow don't see Kel having some death-bed revelation about what a dick he's been his whole life.  It would mean more, and have a larger emotional impact, between A and P.

[Madness]

I figure Achamian will kneel as he was supposed to in TTT when he yet meets Kellhus again.

What a twest.

[mrganondorf]

If power in the Outside does hinge on the number of a believers, Kellhus may need the No-God to return to vindicate his claims.  Then the Great Ordeal serves as sacrifice for Kellhus' ascension/death plus they are evangelists to return to the 3 seas and Zeum to encourage belief in the right direction.

EDIT: @ Wilshire - oooohhhh that's cool, the prophecy is true as Akka kneels at the feet of the dying warrior prophet!

[Wilshire]

If power in the Outside does hinge on the number of a believers, Kellhus may need the No-God to return to vindicate his claims.  Then the Great Ordeal serves as sacrifice for Kellhus' ascension/death plus they are evangelists to return to the 3 seas and Zeum to encourage belief in the right direction.

EDIT: @ Wilshire - oooohhhh that's cool, the prophecy is true as Akka kneels at the feet of the dying warrior prophet!

Thanks, but I'll admit I like Som's idea better. Though I'm pretty sure Kellhus specifically says that Akka will kneel before himself.

[mrganondorf]

New prediction: Seswatha is warring to create a world in which no one can do sorcery unless they are bound to Seswatha.  TUC ends with the death of Kellhus/Consult/Anagogics.  Seswatha avoids damnation by living forever in the ongoing schools of Mandate/Swayali and becomes king of the world through them.

[mrganondorf]

With his dying breath, Aurang, last surviving member of the Consult, uses the lost Heron Spear to strike down Kellhus who has usurped their No-God resurrection project. 

Wouldn't it be weird if the one thing Kellhus hasn't accounted for is the Consult's ability to remake/recharge the old laser cannons?  You know that's got to be something they've worked on.  But, knowing Kellhus, he probably has a special anti-laser chorae or can wing it with the meta-gnosis, meta-daimos, meta-aporos, meta-something.

Meta-meta-gnosis with 3 inutterals (and via possession) 6 utterals.  Or like 144k.

Gonna be neat to see Shae do 10 utterals with at least 10 inutterals.

[mrganondorf]

Some part of TUC has to be staged in the air between the horns.  Kellhus vs lots of dragons?  Kellhus surrounded by every old name?

[Madness]

Oh buddy! Bakker owes us Wracu vs. Kellhus at this point . I want to read that.

[mrganondorf]

ALSO!  Someone needs to be impaled on a horn, or both.