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Title: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on May 25, 2017, 06:25:33 pm
Overlook Press will be giving away two Advanced Reader Copies of The Unholy Consult!  Make your predictions for the book!  Who will die?  How?  Who will live?  What secrets will be told?

Here’s how to enter:
- Create an account at www.second-apocalypse.com (if you don’t already have one).
- At www.second-apocalypse.com, scroll down to The Aspect-Emperor link and click and follow through to The Unholy Consult subforum.
- Select “The Unholy Consult Giveaway” thread.
- Post a response to the thread.  Make a prediction about what will happen in TUC!  Come back later for an “I told you so!”

Parameters:
- ONE entry per person.  You can post all you like but only ONE chance to win per person responding in the thread (even if you have more than one account).
- The contest is open from now until 5PM EST Thursday, June 1st.
- Winners will be contacted through a private message at www.second-apocalypse.com and by email (if you include your email with your account).

THERE WILL BE TWO WINNERS!  TWO ARCS!
SALVATION!

[EDIT Madness: Made one small adjustment to your instructions.]
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: MSJ on May 25, 2017, 06:27:34 pm
We find out which prophecies are false and which are true.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: profgrape on May 25, 2017, 06:29:53 pm
Taken from the "Crazy Speculation Only" thread:

3. Kellhus will return to the Ordeal with Kelmomas (to keep him in hand) and Meppa (because Water).  Esme will stay behind to look after TTS.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Redeagl on May 25, 2017, 06:30:13 pm
Mimara will look upon Kellhus and he will be Damned!!!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: H on May 25, 2017, 06:30:28 pm
[Redacted to spare the innocent.]

Kellhus becomes the Solitary God is my prediction.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: pail on May 25, 2017, 06:32:58 pm
The Great Ordeal is broken and destroyed at Golgotteroth. Achamian stands before the devastation, witnesses legions of Sranc defiling the corpses of the men of the Ordeal. Finally, in waking life, he sees his dreams come true...

The No-God reborn.

TELL ME...

The dread voice, screamed through the throats of a thousand thousand Sranc. The world is doomed. The Heron Spear is lost. The Ordeal has failed. The Three Seas lies in chaos, completely unprepared from the doom that is soon to come upon them. Utterly defeated, Achamian falls to his knees in despair...

DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN I SAID YOU WOULD KNEEL?
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: MSJ on May 25, 2017, 06:39:21 pm
Shite, only one per person.

Haha, dude.

Kellhus becomes the Solitary God is my prediction.

In fairness H, I deleted my posts. Last year was 10 per person.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: H on May 25, 2017, 06:41:45 pm
In fairness H, I deleted my posts. Last year was 10 per person.

I was quick off the gun, I didn't recall that though because I wasn't in that thread last year.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Madness on May 25, 2017, 06:42:17 pm
Aw, don't delete posts.

MG did write that you can post as much as you want, your name only gets one chance. That was my small request to differ from last year's running.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Wolfdrop on May 25, 2017, 06:43:09 pm
Kellhus and Cnaiur have a showdown!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Jackehehe on May 25, 2017, 06:46:12 pm
I expect Mimara to behold Kellhus, and she will see that he is damned. There will be a point about this in the book where the truthfulness of her judgement will be disputed; the judging eye reflects the judgement of the gods, whom naturally hate Kellhus. Akka will realize this and also realize the folly of his quest; the question still stands. is Kellhus good or evil?

I expect meppa to play an important part somehow. I read somewhere that magic in Earwa is like the following: the gnosis is like speaking in concrete words (it is easy to convey meaning), the anagosis is equivalent to the abstract usage of language, harder to convey meaning and thus less powerful than the gnosis whereas the water is pure emotion. All of these three parts are pivotal in our ways of communicating and im sure they will have to be wielded in common to stop the dread might of the consult!!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Hopper8r on May 25, 2017, 06:56:08 pm
Woe comes Chigra.....woe comes.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: The Judging i on May 25, 2017, 07:14:22 pm
Nganka’kull ut Imbaroon is revealed to be the No-God.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Tivadar on May 25, 2017, 07:16:47 pm
Mimara regards Aurang and sees him as good.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Danylmc on May 25, 2017, 07:20:53 pm
Legolas kills Paul Atreides with the sled G W F Hegel used as a child.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: H on May 25, 2017, 07:26:33 pm
Legolas kills Paul Atreides with the sled G W F Hegel used as a child.

But wait, it was all just a dream!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Lets Get Kraken on May 25, 2017, 07:32:11 pm
Serwa was impregnated by a Nonman during her captivity.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Galbrod on May 25, 2017, 07:40:56 pm
Moenghus senior is revealed as the main puppeteer
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Walter on May 25, 2017, 07:44:54 pm
Kellhus undergoes the Inverse Fire, or whatever the ritual is that grants the Consult their visions of damnation.  He is undaunted, there is a head on a pole behind him.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Punkhazard on May 25, 2017, 08:13:16 pm
Mimara will view Kellhus with the Judging Eye and see nothing / absence / void.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Anwurat on May 25, 2017, 08:17:39 pm
Kellhus is revealed to be a Demon Ciphrang and Mimara kills him with her Chorae. His death leads to the rise of the No-God. The book ends with WHAT AM I?
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: ivance on May 25, 2017, 08:20:38 pm
Meppa is 'conditioned' and helps Kelly get back to the Ordeal in record time, using the Water.

EDIT: I see that one's been used ... hmm... As Serwa, Sorweel and Moenghus escape Ishterebinth, the surviving Non-men march on a final, doomed battle against the Ark, led by the Tall.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: jurble on May 25, 2017, 08:22:37 pm
Humans (and Nonmen) are the 'spirits' and Ciphrang are the flesh-and-blood people!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on May 25, 2017, 08:23:41 pm
Legolas kills Paul Atreides with the sled G W F Hegel used as a child.

dear gods!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: BeardFisher-King on May 25, 2017, 08:31:22 pm
Predictions? Not how I roll....

From my contribution to the "Crazy Speculation Only" thread:

So, the Great Ordeal finally reaches Golgotterath, right? And what do they find? Well, being Eärwan, they have no fucking idea what they're looking at. But, since the Inchoroi happen to be massively tweaked and generally fucked-up post-humans, Golgotterath happens to be the most awesome and excellent concert venue imaginable. The two horns of the Ark are rigged with mind-blowing PA speakers and the Inverse Fire is the ultimate bad-ass Jumbotron, which is showing a bewildering video promoting "No-God!", which turns out to be a cross between Slipknot, Metallica, King Crimson, Muse and Dream Theater. Just the heaviest, most intense musical experience possible. No wonder the Nonmen were weeping while watching the Inverse Fire! The Tekne rocks!

(.... to be continued)
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Hiro on May 25, 2017, 09:23:53 pm
The Heron Spear is found and wielded...
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: DracostarA on May 25, 2017, 09:24:07 pm
The last line of the book is
WHAT DO YOU SEE?
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: larrytheimp on May 25, 2017, 09:57:05 pm
Little Moe murders Cnaiur
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Kellsier on May 25, 2017, 10:05:28 pm
Well, perhaps not the most original, but always since I finished The Great Ordeal I've had this thing, perhaps a strong suspicion, that the Great Ordeal is bound to failure, and Kellhus has known it from the get go. Let me explain: As far as we know, Salvation is the principle that motivates his actions. Broad as it is, it could be or not interpreted in the same way the Inchoroi do. If Kellhus too, shares the same beliefs in Salvation, he may well be laying the ground bare for the arrival of the No-God, so this time his victory is undisputed and pretty much guaranteed. May as well be wrong, of course, but that's what my gut's telling me.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: hocknose on May 25, 2017, 10:14:04 pm
The prophecy about an Anansurimbor that will come back at the end of the world is actually about Kellhus' grandson (crab hand) not Kellhus himself...
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: mostly.harmless on May 25, 2017, 11:05:09 pm
Each Ciphrang is actually a pissed off dead sorcerer.

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Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: robizeratul on May 25, 2017, 11:24:13 pm
The only prediction I can give is that whatever Bakker does, I will be blown away by this book. I didn't read any theories,didn't even want to speculate...whatever happens the last book will be "raw" for me.
 
I never won anything except a bag of chips, so If I get lucky I can predict I will be more excited than a Sranc seeing the No-God!
 
Damn,can't wait!!
 
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: geoffrobro on May 26, 2017, 02:00:18 am
Mimara holds the downfall of humanity. The judging eye
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Char Aznable on May 26, 2017, 12:33:41 pm
Kellhus is broken due to eating Sranc meat; this was not a red herring in TGO.

Proyas defeats Cnaiur in battle using what Cnaiur taught him in Prince of Nothing.

After Cnaiur's defeat, Moenghus Jr. kills Cnaiur in a bid to prove his masculinity after a crisis over losing Serwa to Sorweel.

Achamian falls to the ground in despair once Kellhus becomes the No-God, in effect bowing to him.

Kayutas continues to be a character with potential that will never be explored.

Achamian activates his behelit, grimdark ensues.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Gorgorotterath on May 26, 2017, 02:12:24 pm
In the end we discover that the Logos does indeed have a beginning.
And an End.
The No-God is the Eschaton so it is the End of the Logos, and what comes before as well.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Litgreg on May 26, 2017, 03:30:24 pm
The No-God will be reborn and will demand Mimara tell it what the Judging Eye sees.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: TaoHorror on May 26, 2017, 04:53:27 pm
Mimara opens The Eye to the Inverse Fire, causing a cataclysm utterly destroying Golgotterath and all within 400 miles – meta-nuclear meets isotropic nuclear – creating a naked singularity, perhaps. If Earwa survives this event, humanity begins anew in the South again. Lesson learned: stay out of the North!

The prophecy about an Anansurimbor that will come back at the end of the world is actually about Kellhus' grandson (crab hand) not Kellhus himself...

Yeah, I thought similar - first thought it was Koringhus until he took the leap - now thinking the boy could be walking that path.

Mimara regards Aurang and sees him as good.

This one actually made me laugh out loud! Love it!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Hiro on May 26, 2017, 05:11:29 pm
One more item, Mimara gives birth. Or not, depending on the No-God?!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Armitage on May 26, 2017, 07:26:20 pm
Mimara goes to throw her weird Chorae (the one she sees as glowing) into the Inverse Fire but hesitates. Sarl, with the Captain's head still woven into his beard, tears the Chorae out of her hand and leaps in.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Nil Sertrax on May 26, 2017, 11:11:43 pm
Kellhus sacrifices everything in the fight with Golgoterath.  All his children, his wife and Proyas will all end up dead in the battle.  In the end, Kellhus will be revealed to be "good" but will be unable to overcome the consult.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: manveruppd on May 27, 2017, 11:27:44 am
My prediction is that young Kelmonas will become the no-god somehow.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: CondYoke on May 27, 2017, 01:22:02 pm
Sorweel will bring the pain and strike down the No-God, Kellhus.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: mentsch on May 28, 2017, 02:21:59 pm
I'm guessing Kellhus is possessed by someone blind to the Inchoroi, and that certain someone is the one asking the questions in bold. I don't think it's a coincidence everyone has been calling him a demon. They're calling the spymaster Iyokus a Necromancer, so maybe he summoned Kellhus back to the real world via Daimotic sorcery after he went to Outside. Perhaps we'll have confirmation for it through Meppa, since it has always felt to me that it was portrayed that the Cishaurim were the most correct about things.

Uh, I'm expecting a re-match between Mekeritrig and Kellhus. It has to be done. Another thing from the first book I'm expecting a throw-back to (since it is the the last book of the series, and it is Fantasy after all), is to the origin story of Ishual. I'm guessing it will be some sort of a parallel with the not-so-right Anasurimbor kids. Maybe Moe Jr or the Crabhand-Kid. Perhaps the Crabhand-Kid will find his way back to the ruins, meanwhile a world-ending battle will take place, and some remnants will find their way back there. Something like that.



Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: TaoHorror on May 28, 2017, 05:07:55 pm
I'm guessing Kellhus is possessed by someone blind to the Inchoroi, and that certain someone is the one asking the questions in bold. I don't think it's a coincidence everyone has been calling him a demon. They're calling the spymaster Iyokus a Necromancer, so maybe he summoned Kellhus back to the real world via Daimotic sorcery after he went to Outside. Perhaps we'll have confirmation for it through Meppa, since it has always felt to me that it was portrayed that the Cishaurim were the most correct about things.

Uh, I'm expecting a re-match between Mekeritrig and Kellhus. It has to be done. Another thing from the first book I'm expecting a throw-back to (since it is the the last book of the series, and it is Fantasy after all), is to the origin story of Ishual. I'm guessing it will be some sort of a parallel with the not-so-right Anasurimbor kids. Maybe Moe Jr or the Crabhand-Kid. Perhaps the Crabhand-Kid will find his way back to the ruins, meanwhile a world-ending battle will take place, and some remnants will find their way back there. Something like that.

I like your thinking here - Kellhus is hearing "voices" for which Moe Sr and Kellhus himself claims insanity ... but, it could be "someone". We witness Sorweel with a cage on his head and other people inside people stuff like the Cishaurim and Consult Skin-spies. Whose knocking on the inside of Kellhus' skull is quite the interesting question.

Could be several "showdowns" in the works - Kellhus confronts Mekeritrig, then Shae and then Aurang ... only to find himself weakened to face Mog. Me thinks he'll have help ( Akka, Mimera, Proyous, sorcerers, Meppa, and Crabhand to name a few ... oh, and thinking one of the sorcerers dying of radiation poisoning could mutate into something wild ).
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Anwurat on May 28, 2017, 07:24:53 pm
My prediction is that young Kelmonas will become the no-god somehow.

Interesting...
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Wic on May 28, 2017, 10:26:20 pm
Akka kneels over Kellhus' dying body, triggering Seswatha to completely take over, ingests all the ash of Nil'giccas, and kills the last two inchoroi.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Brother_Jacob on May 29, 2017, 03:55:59 pm
Baby Kel becomes the No-God...  and I claim my merest fraction.,
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Hentami on May 29, 2017, 08:46:50 pm

I think the main story of the Inchoroi will be resolved, but in doing so someone good becomes twisted to continue their ends, which is the cliff hanger.

Or we shall remain ever in torment, ravenous to quench our thirst for knowledge, hungrily waiting at the table of Bakker for more scraps to fall off his table yet none fall.. and we wait, forever falling into the abyss of sorrow.

In which case, a kickstarter must be created to bring more stories to life, and we must all be the torchbearers!

Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: codebread on May 31, 2017, 12:21:10 am
I'm on team "Kellhus becomes the No-God". We're going to discover that what the Consult / Inchoroi want isn't actually bad, but their methods of going about it are. I'm not sure if I actually believe it will happen, but the Prince of Nothing becoming the God of Nothing would be nuts.

I also think Seswatha is still "alive" to some extent somehow, and we'll see that as well.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: MisterGuyMan on May 31, 2017, 02:05:30 am
Kellhus will put to rest all the doubters.  He's the messiah figure Earwa needs AND deserves.

I really need to win this.  June 2's my birthday so just spare me the trouble of spending $300 for an ARC on ebay please!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Count Zero on May 31, 2017, 09:14:23 pm
Proyas will meet and reconcile with Akka, but will commit suicide after Mimara uses the Judging Eye and tells him that is damned for all the crimes he committed in the name of a false prophet.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: SalvatorDunyain on June 01, 2017, 01:22:03 pm
Proyas successfully manages the remaining Ordealmen and Kellhus makes it to The Golden Ark along with Akka and Mimara. When everyone meets up Mimara sees that Kellhus is holy because of his machinations  (which will be revealed). The No God is brought forth and defeated by Mimara as Kellhus knew it would be. Kellhus somehow becomes a god and it is revealed he was the voice guiding his past self. Don't know how this affects being damned but somehow Kellhus rewrites the metaphysics of Earwa.  Super geeked for July!!!!
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Ciogli on June 01, 2017, 01:37:19 pm
The Nonmen of ishteribinth will throw off the inchorio yoke and they will save the ordeal after the scylvendi attack throws them back

Meppa is a pic

Crab boy will find akka and mimara
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 01, 2017, 02:46:50 pm
Quirri is not just a harmless and consequent-less tonik, like lembas, therefore it will affect Mimara's baby just like spice affected Alia Atreides (maybe, the baby will have the Nonmen memory... or even will mutate into the first female Nonmen).
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Corky on June 01, 2017, 03:08:19 pm
The No-God arrives, speaks to Kellhus, becomes cognizant of its own nature and transforms into a broken philosophical zombie. Kellhus puts the No-God out of its misery, eliminates this metaphysical black hole from the reality of Earwa with the unconscious help of Drusas, perishes by the hand of the new Judas – Proyas (just as planned) and reincarnates in Mimara’s newborn baby to lead the humankind through the Golden Path.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: selwynmauberley on June 01, 2017, 03:24:26 pm
Honestly, I wish I could read the Consult’s memoirs attached to TUC

Fear and loathing in Earwa

‘We had the No-God, hundreds of sorcerers, high-tech laser weapons, a salt shaker half full of Chorae, dozens of Wracu and a whole galaxy of multi-colored Shranks, screamers, laughers and also a quart of Tekne, a case of Bashrags, a pint of raw hate and two dozen reasons to continue. Not that we needed all that for the Crusade, but once you get locked into a serious soul-collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. The only thing that really worried me was the collaborators. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an eternal curse. And I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon.’
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Blackstone on June 01, 2017, 04:50:28 pm
Kellhus will become the No-God. As Mimara and Achamian join the GO, the No-Kellhus takes the field and the Judging Eye beholds that NK is not damned, but is in fact salvation. The No-Kellhus closes Earwa to the outside, destroys the Consult, and sets himself as the ACTUAL living god that his followers believe that he is, perhaps in the 1000 year reich mode. The final duology will contend with the fight against the No-Kellhus.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: robizeratul on June 01, 2017, 06:11:54 pm
Who won ? Who is blessed by the gods ?
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: mentsch on June 01, 2017, 08:44:15 pm
Who won ? Who is blessed by the gods ?

It's not 5 yet I think.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: Madness on June 01, 2017, 09:02:19 pm
It's 5pm EST. The contestants are all locked in. mrganondorf will announce the winners in thread and contact them via PM and their registered forum e-mail soon (probably tomorrow ;) ).

Thanks for participating all and congratulations to the two winners, whomever you may be.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
Post by: mrganondorf on June 02, 2017, 03:59:48 pm
CONTEST WINNERS!

Randomly selected winners of Advanced Reader Copies of The Unholy Consult are...

1) Walter
2) Redeagl

CONGRATULATIONS!!!