The Second Apocalypse
Earwa => General Earwa => Topic started by: Garet Jax on July 26, 2014, 05:13:43 pm
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In light of Madnesses recent exposure to the holiest of holies, I decided to run a little experiment. I have been tracking what topics he has been looking at and which ones he posts in. In doing that, I am hoping to identify which topics he will still post in and which topics he stays away from. I felt that the topics he stays away from but is reading are the topics that someone struck gold on and guessed correctly.
I wanted to generate a thread about which theories people thought were most accurate and will come true in TUC.
I like to think that the "Earwa is Heaven" theory is either right or very close to being right. (I attribute this theory Nerdanel to locke)
Please speculate!
Edit: I will put together my tracking results and post them soon, I just wanted to get this going.
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He seemed really impressed by the Nonman stuff in TUC, do not know what to make of that...
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One suspicious thing is that he hasn't mentioned anything regarding the No-God since reading the book. In fact it almost seems as if he's refusing to utter the No-God's name for some reason. My worry is that the NG is not featured in TUC, at all.
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Not a bad idea, but wouldn't plying be more effective? I submit that it would, and while I personally like Madness and would not normally think to subject him to plying, the unholiest of unholies calls. Some corruption begs the knife, Madness. You must know this.
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@ Ashtinahgma - True, true, Madness has been awful quiet about that. TUC has got to end in some kind of disaster, right? If not the No-God then something worse?
@ Triskele - Perhaps GJ is letting the cat out of the bag as grounds for a deeper deception!!!
Maybe we could start mailing vast quantities of liquor to Madness to inspire more teezers :) Madness, don't say no right away, check with drunk-Madness first
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I can't find the notes that I took while tracking his page views but Madness did spend a decent amount of time, on several occasions, in these topics;
(Trying to put them in order of most time spent in thread without posting)
-"Mimara"
With all the speculation that she could possibly be one of the most important people in the series, or at least in PoN, finding more about her could help us divine some tidbits from TUC?
-"The Maithanet-Inrilatas Conversation"
I have always thought that this conversation reveals much of what we need to know, but are we looking at it from the right angle?
-Dunyain and Nonmen
Seems obvious that these are two major "players" in Earwa. But what connection do they have, and how is it relevant to the progression of the story?
-TSTSNBN
This one looks a little obvious. But, I wonder if anyone has hit on, or close to, the truth?
-Map Circles
Personal favorite of mine, which is why I brought it up in the cast. I think it has some significance, but I am not sure if they are prior "landing sites" like I said... Any thoughts?
If I find my notes, I know there are three or four other topics that he spent time in without posting.
But, what does it all mean?
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Prior landing sites like Earwa is locked in an infinite loop of Ark crashes?
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Prior landing sites like Earwa is locked in an infinite loop of Ark crashes?
Not sure if I meant an infinite loop of Inchoroi Ark crashes.
More along the lines that each "landing site" could be how certain species/races were introduced or broke into Earwa.
There are two rings around Golgotterath too... ;)
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They might just be impact craters for pieces of the Ark that broke off in it's tumble from the void. Maybe contain Tekne remnants no-one knows what to do with/what they are.
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Well as we all know Cnaiurs tendencies to make love to Earwa maybe thay are the result of a drunken bet on the steppes!
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Perhaps you should addend the thread title to include [possible TUC spoilers], just in case someone does dredge spoilery stuff up.
Based on what Madness has said in chat and post compared with what I remember from his expressions in thread and quorum content, I think Madness' expectations and speculations on nonmen were upset to some extent.
It's something that I think interested him a lot beforehand, so...
I might go back through those threads myself.
I seem to recall Madness as a proponent towards the idea that the Intact were trying to save their race through breeding and that Serwa would be key - so perhaps that is less likely.
Given that it sounds like a lot of pages will be devoted to Isherberinth and Ishual sounds pretty brief, I think AK and Mimara will end up at the Last Mansion as well.
Madness asserted that only a few of the darkest guesses have come close to the fate of the Ordeal and Golgotteroth and little more.
I have the feeling like Madness might have had some of the darkest thoughts about that prior to his exposure to the most unholy manuscript.
Specifically, I think he was of the opinion that Kellhus sought the Tekne for himself.
Finally, I recall discussion that all the pieces are in play at the end of TUC. I take that and the above to imply that Mog-Pharau will walk (hover?) again.
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I cannot wait to go back and tell the whole story when all is said and done. I think I'll ping and describe all the innuendos I've inadvertently made across Quorum/To Madness.../TSACast. I've certainly given out more than I should have/intended to but the thing is without certain contexts you all are unable to understand how that which comes after intersects with that which has come before ;D.
I really enjoy this topic.
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Ha, the broadest sketch of an outline of a hint of a fading impression is all we are working off here! :-D
I mean, I've long held the opinion that Mog will be back at the end of AE. It's called the Second Apocalypse after all, shit hasn't even kicked off yet.
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We're all in for quite a surprise when we learn that Bakker gave Madness an inferior alternate story...
What really happens:
- Ishterebinth is blasted killing everyone there
- Eating sranc makes the Great Ordeal mutiny and join the Consult. Kellhus is driven back by the combined might and ultimately killed by new super-creatures: combinations of teckne, sorcery and neuropuncture
- While all of the Consult's might are engaged in driving Kellhus back towards Eanna (where he is caught in between the Consult and their legions of Easter servants) Moenghus uses the Meta-Psukhe to capture all of the gods in the Ark and seal them forever
- Akka becomes the No-God in an insane attempt to win back Esmi
- the war between Akka/No-God and Esmi will be the setting for the next book
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We're all in for quite a surprise when we learn that Bakker gave Madness an inferior alternate story...
lol yes.
Or, alternatively, what gets published is so chopped up by publishing that madness doesn't even recognise it.
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It's been suggested that Madness is a red herring used by Bakker to deflect attention from where the story is really going.
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Wheels within wheels. This is why TUC is taking so long to write. Bakker wrote several entire volumes that are all lies. He has only just started putting pen to paper on the real TUC yet.
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Or, alternatively, what gets published is so chopped up by publishing that madness doesn't even recognise it.
This actually may be likely, to be honest. Also, the way he described rewriting/reorganizing some of the sections multiple times... yeesh.
Though, ideally, it would reflect my personal recommendations on chapter orientation ;)...
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Or, alternatively, what gets published is so chopped up by publishing that madness doesn't even recognise it.
This actually may be likely, to be honest. Also, the way he described rewriting/reorganizing some of the sections multiple times... yeesh.
Though, ideally, it would reflect my personal recommendations on chapter orientation ;)...
CRUSH OUR HOPES OK!!!
Could we hope for a 'director's cut' later Madness?
Also, there's this rumor that the nonmen set up the Dunyain breeding program and then forgot about it, can you confirm this?
And the Heron Spear is inside the big tent pole, right? Like right next to Nin'sarricas?
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Madness also spent some time in:
Saccarees & The Dunyain
Meppa is X
The Ground, the Void, and the Outside
Don't have any real notes or thoughts on why he spent time in those topics, but I thought I would share them.
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To add fuel to the fire here:
Might be worth noting what topics he stays away from in the Quorum. Most recently, Sorcery is a topic I notice he doesn't ever participate in.
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Could Kellhus be both mad and a true prophet? Kellhus' madness when he meets Moenghus is largely a result of his trials and miracles, and we should remember that Moenghus would have thrown in with the no-god, at least that's what Kellhus thought, so Kellhus being mad might be just what Earwa needed!
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For me Earwa is an objectively expressed, collective, subjective imposition of consciousness which the Inchoroi aim to subvert somehow understanding that Earwa can be key to their salvation. Kellhus may be doing the same thing, whether in pursuit of his original Dunyain goals, his declared Aspect Emperor goals, or some motive unknown to the reader.
I think Kellhus went mad on the circumfix - up until that point he was becoming increasingly emotionally responsive and I think the circumfix tipped him over the edge. I think a Dunyain with emotional response is insane by Dunyain standards already but maybe not by our standards.
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I think Kellhus went mad on the circumfix - up until that point he was becoming increasingly emotionally responsive and I think the circumfix tipped him over the edge. I think a Dunyain with emotional response is insane by Dunyain standards already but maybe not by our standards.
Seeing as how the Dunyain do not believe in either sorcery or prophecy (both of which exist) it could be that Earwa is simply insane. On the circumfix I always thought Kellhus learned to love, and it was this love that lead him to decide to try and save the world (if that's indeed what he's doing). Wouldn't we seem mad if we too believed in damnation and went around screaming it to people, and as far as I remember Moenghus doesn't seem to understand his own damnation.
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The cuteness of this topic is unceasing, without beginning or end.