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Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Great Ordeal => Topic started by: What Came Before on May 05, 2013, 07:20:22 am

Title: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: What Came Before on May 05, 2013, 07:20:22 am
UPDATE from Wilshire: JULY 12TH, 2016
Check out Bakker's blog (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2016/03/03/moving-pictures-of-awe-spectacle-and-doom/) or this post (http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=446.msg24613#msg24613) for more details.

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Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on September 06, 2013, 12:55:43 pm
Bakker has been cited as being close to finishing the first draft of The Unholy Consult. In the discussions I've had with people about publishing, a year is often the consensual date for published material after the submission of the first draft.

Golgotterath... is too far, Father...
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on October 01, 2013, 07:06:45 pm
This from Bakker's blog, The Four Goads (at the Crossroads) (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/the-four-goads-at-the-crossroads/):

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So I finished the first draft of The Unholy Consult 3:14 pm, yesterday afternoon. Things are feeling kinda surreal – it’s been a helluva long haul, man! There’s still a tremendous amount of work to be done. I have exhaustive rewrites planned for a couple of the plot-lines – about a quarter of the book all told. But for whatever reason I became insanely meticulous fleshing out the master plot, and even though it remains uber-generic all the way down, I’m pretty sure nothing like it has been written before.  Whether that’s a good or bad thing, I don’t know. The best I can do is take it to the limit of my abilities and nothing more.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on January 29, 2014, 07:09:20 pm
In questing for all updates Bakker, I've found a TPB comment (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/love-god-and-entropy/#comment-28748) (thanks, Justin) asking after TUC's progress. Here's Bakker's response:

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Almost finished, Justin. I’m thinking about another week or so for the rewrite, a week for touch ups, and then I’ll be sending the ms out to my agent and editors. I’ll be making an announcement when the time comes.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on January 31, 2014, 07:53:01 pm
Quote from: Werthead, on 31 Jan 2014
Orbit are not anticipating a 2014 release date for The Unholy Consult, but are thinking 2015 if the final MS is handed in soon.

That might only change (my speculation, nothing from Orbit) if Overlook decide to go for an early release and Orbit decide to adjust to prevent early sales going to the American edition. And of course if all depends on when RSB hands in the final MS.

Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on March 08, 2014, 07:02:30 pm
Quote from: The Closing and Opening of Covers (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/the-closing-and-opening-of-covers/)
My agent has the book, and I’m having several copies of the manuscript printed up and bound to distribute to some keen-eyed friends today. That’s as much as I can say detail-wise, at the moment. As soon as my publishers and my agent and I have the details hashed out I will post them here post-haste.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on June 12, 2014, 02:10:29 pm
Quote from: Enactivist Re-enactment (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/enactivist-re-enactment/)
As for the novel, still no word on pub dates, but I did spend the past two days with my friend Madness going through the manuscript, so if you’re curious as to his impressions, appraisals, by all means visit the SECOND APOCALYPSE FORUM and plague him with questions…
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on October 02, 2014, 03:12:04 pm
More news thats not really news. The slog continues.

Quote from: Post Title (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/post-title/)
It’s been quiet around these parts, and my housekeeping has left much to be desired. For that I apologize. I’ve received scads of emails and off-topic queries on the status of the book, and though I wish I could say I have news to share with you, I don’t. I’ve received feedback from several readers now, but nothing officially editorial. I’m in the process of cleaning up the issues emerging from the feedback I’ve received now.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on October 03, 2014, 03:20:17 pm
Comment from RSB on his blog. TUC may be two books:

Quote from: rsbakker (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/post-title/#comment-37424)
Thanks, Massimiliano. No decisions have been made on whether the tome will be divided or not. If so, the first will be called The Great Ordeal, and the second, The Unholy Consult. I say Aspect-Emperor because no matter how it’s packaged, the series is done. And I think it will please… hope…

My bold.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on December 29, 2014, 03:07:00 am
From Waterbug Blues (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/12/28/waterbug-blues/#comment-39561), on TPB on December 28, 2014:

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The problem, of course, is the more they tell me I’m not welcome at the party, the more convinced I become that I’m offering something genuinely critical, the very thing they pretend to be. I’m wrapping up the rewrites on The Aspect-Emperor now and will be sending out the manuscript in January.

my emphasis.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on December 30, 2014, 05:31:18 pm
More from Waterbug Blues (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/12/28/waterbug-blues/#comment-39580), though this time its from the comment section.

Quote from: Alt
So we can expect to get an excerpt from the book in the near future?

Quote from: rsbakker
Yes. :)
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on January 20, 2015, 09:22:33 pm
TPB Comment (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/interminable-intentionalism-edward-feser-and-the-defence-of-dead-ends/#comment-40259):

Quote from: rsbakker
When I get the book out the door (which should be any day now!), most definitely!

My emphasis.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on July 08, 2015, 03:03:57 pm
News, but not good.

Quote from: Three Pound Brain (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/in-the-shadow-of-summer/)
And lastly, things keep dragging on with my publishers regarding The Unholy Consult. My delay turning the manuscript in and the quick turnover of editorial staff in the industry means that no one was up to speed on the series–but six months on from submission, and still we have no word. My fear (not my agent’s) is that they might be re-evaluating their commitment to the series–the way all publishers are reviewing their commitments to their midlist authors. I know for a fact that other publishers are interested in snapping the series up, so there’s no need to organize a wake, but who knows what kind of delay would result. Perhaps shooting them emails explaining why they should believe this series will continue growing might help? I dunno.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on July 24, 2015, 05:38:42 pm
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Quote from: TPB Comment #1 (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/posthuman-life-goes-live/#comment-42242)
I've finally spoken to my Overlook editor: apparently they’ve been deluged with emails and even phone calls! It has him excited about the book at least. We still have a couple more details to hammer out, and things need to be squared away with Orbit, but hopefully I should be able to make an announcement soon

Quote from: TPB Comment #2 (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/posthuman-life-goes-live/#comment-42245)
Let everyone know that both Overlook and Orbit have *noticed.* Some are excited, and some are angered, but either way, meat is definitely back on the menu! I should have an update soon.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on July 26, 2015, 02:00:58 pm
Quote from: Stuff to Blow your… Brains. (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/stuff-to-blow-your-brains/)
And lastly, I spoke to Erik Hane, my US editor, last week, and he asked me to assure everyone that Overlook is very committed to the series, so there’s no reason plague them with calls (apparently someone tweeted their phone number!). Publication dates, as well as some big announcements regarding the future of the series, will be made soon. I have to tell you, I feel like Achamian most of the time: it’s hard to express just how gratifying it is to be believed now and again. Seriously, thanks to you all.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on August 05, 2015, 08:23:05 pm
This is a bit of a gem to make one smile:

Comment on TPB (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/stuff-to-blow-your-brains/#comment-42280):

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Hilarious! I’ll be giving a chapter to the infinitely patient Pat at the Hotlist, and perhaps another bit to Adrian over at Grimdark, but not until we have some firm dates on the table.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on October 16, 2015, 10:17:25 am
I'll just let this speak for itself. Will update with confirmation from the man.

The Great Ordeal: Book 3 (http://www.amazon.com/Great-Ordeal-Three-Aspect-Emperor-Trilogy/dp/1468301691/ref=sr_1_8?tag=geo02a9-20&s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1444984825&sr=1-8)
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on October 17, 2015, 04:34:01 pm
Not sure what to make of our collective brouhaha yesterday but Bakker popped onto TPB (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/10/17/goosing-the-rumour-mill/) to post:

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Just got back to find there’s been some developments! I’d resolved to say nothing anticipating anything–it just makes me feel foolish anymore. Until we have all the details hammered out, there’s not much I can say except that Overlook’s July 2016 date is tentative. I fear I can’t comment on their press release, either. Things seem to be close, though.

I know it’s been a preposterously long haul, folks, but hold on just a bit longer. The laws of physics are bound to kick in at some point, after which I can start delivering some more reliable predictions.
Title: Re: The Unholy Consult Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on November 13, 2015, 12:23:03 am
Thanks again, MG.

Whoever the Dunyain are--we will find out more about them on July 5th, 2016!  Overlook Press has CONFIRMED the release date on Amazon!

http://i.imgur.com/bZJbNq0.png?1
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on November 22, 2015, 04:44:04 pm
News from Bakker (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/11/22/on-ordeals-great-and-small-and-their-crashing/):

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my UK publisher has finally come to terms on the fourth book.

I had intended on chronicling what’s been going on behind the scenes these past months, the ups and downs, the false starts, the miscommunications, but now I’m really not sure what purpose would be served outside prolonging the prolonging. The important thing is that The Great Ordeal will be published next year, and The Unholy Consult will be published the year following. The exact dates still need to be worked out between my US and UK publishers–I’ll pass those along as soon as I know them.

Why has the book been split? For the same reason The Prince of Nothing was split into a trilogy many moons ago: not because of greedy publishers or a greedy me, but because the story proved longer in the execution than in the planning, plain and simple.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on November 25, 2015, 05:38:02 pm
Bakker dropping bombs at TPB this morning:

1.

Quote from: Mithfanion
Would you say that Unholy Consult would be about the same size as Great Ordeal , which is listed at just below 500 pages by Overlook?

Quote from: Bakker
The file is bigger, but then the Encyclopedic Glossary has grown quite big. My guess is that the story will weigh in somewhere over 400 pages, with the EG taking up another 200 or so. My guess.

2.

Quote from: Trisk
Please, sir. May we have our merest fraction now?

Quote from: Bakker
Part of the problem was that my Overlook editor quit (without forewarning), so as it stands, I’m still waiting to be assigned editors for either Overlook or Orbit. As soon as that happens, I can get Pat the rest of the chapter I promised him way back, as well as work out something with Grimdark magazine. You shall have you taste soon enough.

3.

Quote from: Massimiliano
so is there any hope to have an extended encyclopedic glossary coming out toghether with The Unholy Consult or as a separate piece?
Just out of curiosity, have you already started writing The Book That Should Not Be Named? :P
Or anything else related to Eärwa? (such as the Isûphiryas).

Quote from: Bakker
The EG was the big reason for splitting the books, and its only thing still requiring any serious work. I’ve been writing fragments for the final series for years now–as soon as I’ve finished it and rewritten TUC, the final dualogy is my first priority.

That's the juice. There's another interesting tidbit about having written some five short stories in addition to Crash Space over the summer.

Unfortunate to hear that editors are still yet to be assigned but it seems like negotiating a three-book contract into four books with Orbit (as Werthead at Westeros guessed) has essentially taken us back to zero.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on March 02, 2016, 05:56:08 pm
Dates posted from the audiobook publisher:

http://www.recordedbooks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=rb.show_prod&book_id=93937

Digital
"*Item not yet released. You may order now, it will ship when available. Anticipated Release: Sep 01, 2016"

CD:
"*Item not yet released. You may order now, it will ship when available. Anticipated Release: Sep 15, 2016"
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on March 03, 2016, 11:53:21 pm
Bakker confirms The Great Ordeal release date:

Quote from:
Moving Pictures of Awe, Spectacle, and Doom. (https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2016/03/03/moving-pictures-of-awe-spectacle-and-doom/)
I’m already working on the copy edited version of The Great Ordeal, so the July release date looks firm.

"The july release date" is specifically July 5th, 2016 according to Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1468301691?keywords=the%20great%20ordea&qid=1457049609&ref_=sr_1_sc_1&sr=8-1-spell)

For those interested in the Audiobook: September 1st, 2016, according to Recorded Books (http://www.recordedbooks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=rb.show_prod&book_id=93937). See this topic (http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1702.msg24561#msg24561) for more details on that. I imagine it will be available from others, like audible and such.
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on April 10, 2016, 02:51:53 pm
From Westeros via Pat (http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.ca/):

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Hey guys,

Good news! Just heard back from Scott and it appears that we can expect that second part of the Achamian extract in early May! :) I told him we'd take it any time, so we'll see how it goes.

Cheers,

Patrick
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on April 30, 2016, 03:14:58 pm
Not an official release date update, but proof that the ARCs exist and have been sent to reviewers.

http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.ca/2016/04/look-what-cat-dragged-in.html
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Wilshire on July 01, 2016, 06:33:39 pm
Release dates will vary by country, the earliest release date has been pushed to July 12th in the USA.

[EDIT Madness]: Though, there are many rumoured buys already at BNs across the states :o!
Title: Re: The Great Ordeal Official Release Date
Post by: Madness on July 13, 2016, 06:04:31 pm
IT'S RELEASED!