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General Earwa / Fate of the non-men.
« on: April 08, 2014, 01:39:24 am »
So, I've developed a theory that the nonmen will be exterminated by the ordeal.

Supporting ideas are:

- First, we have witchs and men eating sranc - how would the non-men react to this?  I suspect both things would be deeply offensive to Siqu.

- Cleric tells Akka that Ishteribinth has turned to the Consult. Lacking any cultural progress or goals, they have turned to tyranny.  Cleric's speech before he arranges his death strongly points to a belief that the he and all the non-men must be expunged before the consult can be defeated.

- After 4000 years, there can be no more intact - not truly.  The original lifespan of non-men was about 400 years, and the tipping point of erraticism is about 5 lifetimes.  We don't know how exactly old the nonmen are, but its been 2000 years since the first apocalypse and the Fall happened quite a few thousand years before the arrival of the Tusk (year 0).  Which makes the surviving non-men probably around 7000 years old.
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their minds can only hold roughly four or five human lifetimes of experiences, and as the centuries pass the traumatic experiences they suffer crowd out their other memories, until now, almost all Nonmen remember only the pain and loss in their lives.
As a group, Kellhus cannot trust them without enslaving them individually.  For the dunyain, it is axiomatic - that which cannot be controlled must be eliminated.

I suspect Serwa is an assassin, and Dagliash is a trap where everyone is planning betrayal.

- Finally, we have the nonmen as analogues to the Tolkien's elves.  The elves leave middle earth for the undying lands after RotK.  I don't think the nonmen will get such a soft exit from Earwa. 


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Literature / Poetry, chaps.
« on: April 08, 2014, 12:54:18 am »
What poetry do we enjoy, if any?
I'll kick off with some Yeats, a poem that I feel relates tonally to TSA.

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The Second Coming  W. B. Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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General Earwa / Sound like anyone you know?
« on: February 16, 2014, 09:10:18 am »
Found this reply on a frontpage reddit thread the other day.  Made me suspect it was Scott, which I posited in a jokey reply.  Naturally I got downvoted because all the other redditors wanted to believe it was GRRM (despite the fact that GRRM doesn't FB or twitter), lol.  Anyways, just reposting here for shits and giggles.

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[–]tthrowawayme 2616 points 3 days ago
Hi Totalbiscuit,
I don't know if you're going to be reading these replies, but I made an account just for this message, in case it helps.
I am a published author through a major publishing company. I have quite a few books out now, so I guess I've achieved something like your level of success, although it's hard to compare apples and oranges. But anyway, I've had enough to know where you're coming from.
I used to interact with my readers a great deal. I did Facebook and Twitter, had an extensive web page, ran tons of contests, etc. I also regularly read forum comments about my books, telling myself that it was part of the job. How could I please my readers if I didn't know what they wanted? If there was a consensus on something, and it didn't derail my main storyline, shouldn't I give it to them?
So I read. And read. And read. Until the day I woke up and realized: not only did I not want to read anymore, I didn't want to WRITE anymore, either.
Because you're right. There's only one of you or me, but there's thousands of them. And they all have opinions, which is absolutely their right, no question. But just as they have the right to their opinion, I also have rights--like not to have to listen to it. A person can only take the bombardment for so long without going quite, quite mad, and I'm close enough as it is.
They are anonymous; they are risking nothing. You, on the other hand, have your life, or at least your job, on the line. That is in no way an equal situation, and the worst of them, the ones who comment not to help or inform others, but just to destroy--they know this. And they use it to hammer at you, day after day after day. Until the joy you felt in what you do evaporates, buried by an avalanche of their disdain.
I won't go into the obvious--that most of the biggest critics are those who offer nothing themselves, who envy you for the success you've had, but are too lazy to try to make anything, to give anything, or to do anything themselves. You already know this. You've been here a while. Instead, I'll tell you the only thing I can that might make things better: you're doing the right thing by tuning out.
I did it, since it was either that or leave a profession I loved. I kept up my Facebook, Twitter, and web pages, but I severely curtailed my presence on them. And I stayed off of all forums. I thought it would be hard. But I found to my surprise that, after a short while, it really wasn't.
I didn't miss even the good comments, because I was tired of hearing all those voices in my head when what I needed to hear was my own. And I certainly didn't miss the bad! Take yourself away and you can regain the joy in what you do. I now live in blissful ignorance of my audience's reactions to anything. And you know what? My book sales didn't drop even slightly as a result. I doubt your subscribers will, either.
I've seen your show; it's good. You can hear the passion you have for the games you play in your voice. I hope you never lose that. I am sorry to hear that things have become so difficult for you, and hope that taking a breather will give you some much needed peace. If it does for you what it did for me, you may come to realize the same thing I did: that your real fans love what you do, value it and value you, and always will. Good luck.

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General Earwa / Kellhus and Nau Cayuti
« on: February 10, 2014, 03:33:25 am »
Kicking off with this.

Quote from: TTT Ch16
Despite the beard, the resemblance to Nau-Cayuti, his ancient cousin, was unmistakable.

Enough to make Celmomas think he is seeing his son in his vision as he dies, perhaps?  Perhaps a hint that Kellhus has authored the prophecy that he apparently fulfills by traveling to the outside where we know that time passes 'differently'.

In TDTCB, when Akka meets Kellhus he thinks he knows him and recalls the resemblance to Celmomas.  This certainly seems to erode the theory that NC is actually the son of Seswatha, at the very least.

Then we have the theories relating to NC as somehow being Mog, and the theories that Kellhus will become Mog.  Relevant and related, perhaps?

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Japanese get Bakker.
« on: November 23, 2013, 12:54:46 am »
They need to translate PoN into Japanese ASAP.  Might just be a smash hit over there.

I'm assuming this comes in 'honeyed' flavour

^^NSFW BTW^^

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The White-Luck Warrior / Khellus and the Emissary.
« on: October 27, 2013, 10:35:38 pm »
This scene seems like 100% lies.
Why is Proyas there?  Seems like the whole show is for his benefit.  Perhaps K doesn't plan on being with the Ordeal when they get to Dagliash.

Why the heck didn't Sorweel and co go back with the Emissary?  Maybe they weren't even really from Ishterberinth. 
But I don't think the nonmen would be counting on their hostages being able to teleport there with the metagnosis.  It doesn't really make them good hostages either if they can just teleport away :p

The Emissary agrees to ally on the basis of the Niom and Daglaish at the outset, then again at the end of the conversation.  What is the point of the shit in between?

He asks K about the outside and they briefly discuss damnation.
Specifically the line from the Tusk that we know was added by the Inchies.  Presumably both K and the Emisarry KNOW this is a lie.

There are other two nonmen, but they do nothing... Um... 

Touching K; perhaps the Emissary slipped him a love letter?  Or a map?  Or some Tekne 'bug'?

Proyas thinks about the overtures that K made, all the people he sent to Ishterberinth.  I call BS.  If K can spend two days teleporting halfway across the continent just to help calm down the cults when he knows the new empire will fall anyway, I'm sure he could spend a week checking out Ishterberinth (and doing some diplomacy if possible) before the ordeal even set out.

Anyway, just wanted to start you all thinking.  I've read that scene a few times now, and it makes less sense every time.

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General Earwa / TSA: the musical
« on: October 02, 2013, 09:41:20 am »
Yeah, so TSA will never be a movie, TV show or anime. 
It needs to be the Broadway show that heralds the semantic apocalypse.

To that end I will kidnap Happy Ent (from westeros) and Elton John and throw them in a pit with a piano, pigs and whiskey until they produce a musical masterpiece.
Now, I just need funding for costumes. 8o

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The White-Luck Warrior / Nonmen religons.
« on: September 30, 2013, 09:19:50 am »
From what we know of Earwan metaphysics, the hundred gods are attuned to the souls of men. 
It seems they are not the creators of men, in myth nor any hazy intimation of text.
It can be argued that they are created from some kind of collective emotional subconscious, but it is more likely that they predate human civilization, at least from the hints of various nonmen and Baker's epigrams.
It is my contention that humans and gods have some kind of feedback loop of reflected meaning between the inside and outside.

So, what was the relationship between nonmen and the outside?  We know that nonmen face damnation, which entails that outside agencies have some similar relationship via meaning and experience.  Their mastery of sorcery deepens the association. Our experience with nonman religion is very shallow.  Akka's mention of mystery cults suggest their was more than one form of belief/worship amongst them.  Religious prohibitions are mentioned in TTT glossary, so there was some centralization, but questions remain.

Perhaps the hundred abandoned the moribund cunoroi and adopted their halaroi pets.
Possibly the nonmen also viewed them as merely powerful ciphrang, but then why would they not have warned men during the tutelage.
If we attend Titirga's words in the False Dawn, it would seem that men sought instead to adopt the theology of nonmen.
Or maybe older agencies simply withered and died as their supply of nonmen souls dwindled.

Personally, I suspect that like the nonmen, the custodians of their souls' experiences linger still. 
I think Ajokli has got something to do with it, that the twin-souled Anasurimbor might just represent the link between the outside of men and the outside of non-men.

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Latest dip into the crackpot trance has suggested that the Judging Eye may be caused by Kellhus 'riding' Mimara's soul.
Consider what K's dunyain vision would be like if you were ruled by emotion.  Galian's butterfly seems like a great example of the kind of thing Kellhus would unearth from someone's past and use to rule them...

Following deeper into the Crackpotoverse, I have divined that Maggot (Mim's unborn) is probably Seswatha reincarnate.  Celmoman prophecy, Akka as a dad and all that. 

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I like to rotate the music I listen too pretty regularly.  Good for the brain, I reckon.

Latest addition to the play list.

Pallbearer - Sorrow and Extinction.
Doom metal
8/10

[EDIT Madness: Title.]

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Literature / YOU MUST TELL ME ... What else are you reading?
« on: May 04, 2013, 06:57:07 am »
I imagine that many forumers manage to read other stuff in between obsessive reads of TSA.

Just picked up Planesrunner by Ian McDonald.  Looks fun.  Interdimensional airships!

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