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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Truth Shines ---Reading this book for the third time, and stumbled across a sleeping T-Rex... Did, did, did he really just accidentally give away the outcome of the Great Ordeal?! :o Or am I hallucinating? ;)
USA First Edition 2009, Hardcover, Page 163-164:
"... an endless train of supplies wound in front of the southern horizon, bearing arms, wares, rations, and more rations... Vast herds of sheep and cattle, bred solely to accompany the march, were also beaten across the horizon, so many that some Men of the Ordeal began calling themselves ka Koumiroi, or the Herdsmen -- a name that would later become holy."
If the Great Ordeal fails, there would be no one left alive in the world to talk about it, to make it "later become holy" (similar to how the word "Veteran" became holy in the aftermath of the Holy War). This must mean the Ordeal will eventually succeed, somehow, in preventing the rise of No-God for the second time.
Or am I crazy?!
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Wilshire ---A generous interpretation. Not necessarily wrong, but not the only option here.
It is possible for them to fail. For example, Meppa is pretty much a holy figure simply since he was a survivor.
The Herdsmen could already be a holy name, given that for period of time the Ordeal had contact with the empire back home. Those left behind can pretty much be expected to revere any news or deeds that they heard about. The nickname, once learned by the normal folk, could possibly just become holy simply by existing.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Duskweaver ---"Later" could easily just mean "about a week later". The Ordeal is an army of fanatical believers. Pretty much anything is going to start feeling like a sacrament to them pretty darn quickly. I think that's the point RSB is making there, actually: that even what started as a casual, almost cynical, nickname takes on greater significance thanks to Kellhus' inspiration/manipulation.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: lockesnow ---and what is more sacred then the men who keep the beasts that feed you?
And who will herd the sranc that feed you?
The Herdsmen.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Madness ---Lmao, wicked imagery, lockesnow... however, I don't imagine that they'll have to herd the Sranc in order to maintain a food source. They are constantly after the Ordeal. I do wonder if we're supposed to assume that in the Battle of the Horde and the Battle of the Five Fingers, the Ordeal took care of enough Sranc to stop them mobbing?
--- Quote from: Duskweaver ---I think that's the point RSB is making there, actually: that even what started as a casual, almost cynical, nickname takes on greater significance thanks to [...]
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normal cultural and social interaction - though, I agree that Kellhus' manipulations are likely embedding these memes faster, couldn't Bakker also be suggesting that this is a way groups identify themselves? I think the speed its adopted and its consensual value (Holy) speaks to the scary fast way human groups can take on collective identity, which then defines (comes before) some of their beliefs and actions?
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