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H:

--- Quote from: Wilshire on April 11, 2018, 06:22:31 pm ---I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I'd say is that Quya is almost certainly the masculine noun that is both singular in plural.

My guess is that if it was something else, we'd have had references to "Quyas" or "Quyil" (or Quyari since the 'i' plural seems prevalent) at some point. Granted, most of the books we don't have multiple nonmen standing around to begin with, but certainly in TGO and TUC you think we've have at least on reference of a pluralized Quya. Given the absence of that, I think it far more likely that Quya/Quyil are gendered nouns.
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Yeah, in usage it is almost certainly both a collective noun and a singular one.  The balance then falls to Quyil being female, although it is unfortunate we only have once instance to go on.

ThoughtsOfThelli:

--- Quote from: H on April 11, 2018, 02:19:36 pm ---Isn't the opposite as likely?  Quya is the group, a Quyil is one member?

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Well, what I left implied was that my assumption wasn't all that smart. ;)



--- Quote from: Wilshire on April 11, 2018, 06:22:31 pm ---I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I'd say is that Quya is almost certainly the masculine noun that is both singular in plural.

My guess is that if it was something else, we'd have had references to "Quyas" or "Quyil" (or Quyari since the 'i' plural seems prevalent) at some point. Granted, most of the books we don't have multiple nonmen standing around to begin with, but certainly in TGO and TUC you think we've have at least on reference of a pluralized Quya. Given the absence of that, I think it far more likely that Quya/Quyil are gendered nouns.

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I agree that Qûya does seem to be used in both singular and plural instances in the text. We do have multiple Nonman mages around in Ishterebinth in TGO and in Golgotterath in TUC and I definitely don't remember anything other than "Qûya" being used (that would have popped out to me when I was updating the character list in the wiki).



--- Quote from: H on April 11, 2018, 07:34:03 pm ---Yeah, in usage it is almost certainly both a collective noun and a singular one.  The balance then falls to Quyil being female, although it is unfortunate we only have once instance to go on.

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Not sure about Quyil (Qûyil? those circumflex marks do tend to be left out quite often)... As you say, H, we only have the one case, which doesn't lend itself well to any definite conclusions. Tsinirû is also the only female Nonman that we know of that was a mage (none of the others named in the books seem to be mentioned as such), so there's not much to go on here unless a) it gets brought up again in more detail in TNG (unlikely) and/or b) someone asks Bakker directly about it.

mostly.harmless:
I'm glad someone has time to connect these dots, very interesting.
So much is still unknown.

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themerchant:
Yes she is a sorceror and it was the artisan that got them together and that's the first time he appears in history gifting the day lantern which in some way causes the coming together of the two mansions.

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