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General Earwa / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Nonman Philosophy
« on: February 19, 2017, 09:55:46 pm »
Random question? Is there a reason Nonmen are disgusted by pigs? I vaguely remember the Tall mentioning he has eaten 1000 pigs and everyone seemed disgusted by that.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Explaining Koringhus
« on: January 25, 2017, 09:44:59 pm »
" The Logos. The Logos. The Logos . . . He was a hollow filled by echoes bereft of any authoring voice, each phrase a flawless reiteration of the preceding. He was a wayfarer through the abyssal gallery of mirror set against mirror, his every step as illusory as the last. Only sun and night marked his passage, and only then by narrowing the gap between mirrors to the impossible place where vanishing point threatened to kiss vanishing point—to the place where the soul fell utterly still. When the sun reared yet again, his thoughts receded to a single word: The. The. The. The . . . And it seemed at once an absurd stutter and the most profound of thoughts, as though only in the absence of “Logos” could it settle into the rhythm of his heart muscling through moment after moment. Thought thinned and daylight swept through, over, and behind the shrine, until night pierced the shroud of the sky, until the heavens revolved like an infinite chariot wheel. The. The . . . A moving soul chained to the brink, to the exquisite moment before something, anything. The tree, the heart, the everything transformed into nothing by repetition, by the endless accumulation of the same refusal to name. A corona of gold across the high slopes of the glacier. . . . and then nothing. No thought.

No thought. The boy extinguished. Only a place. This place. Motionless, the Pragma sat facing him, the bare soles of his feet flat against each other, his dark frock scored by the shadows of deep folds, his eyes as empty as the child they watched. A place without breath or sound. A place of sight alone. A place without before or after . . . almost. For the first lances of sunlight careered over the glacier, as ponderous as great tree limbs in the wind. Shadows hardened and light gleamed across the Pragma’s ancient skull. The old man’s left hand forsook his right sleeve, bearing a watery knife. And like a rope in water, his arm pitched outward, fingertips trailing across the blade as the knife swung languidly into the air, the sun skating and the dark shrine plunging across its mirror back . . . And the place where Kellhus had once existed extended an open hand—the blond hairs like luminous filaments against tanned skin—and grasped the knife from stunned space. The slap of pommel against palm triggered the collapse of place into little boy. The pale stench of his body. Breath, sound, and lurching thoughts. I have been legion . . . In his periphery, he could see the spike of the sun ease from the mountain. He felt drunk with exhaustion. In the recoil of his trance, it seemed all he could hear were the twigs arching and bobbing in the wind, pulled by leaves like a million sails no bigger than his hand. Cause everywhere, but amid countless minute happenings—diffuse, useless. Now I understand." -The Darkness The Comes Before, Chapter 17

Quote from: Kalbear
Another thought, based on the pragma idea above:

The probability trance that Kellhus goes into for the first time makes him lose his sense of self and become nothing and everything. For the Dunyain they believe this allows them to catalog all causes and see likely effects. They can see everything that comes before and see how to manipulate that.

But let's turn that on its head. Start with the assumption that everything has already happened. If everything has happened, there is no cause or effect any more than what happened on page 110 changes what happens on page 341. In that case, Kellhus and the other Dunyain aren't tapping into probability - they're tapping into the same thing that guides the White-Luck Warrior. They can see what is going to happen and already has happened, and they can see it from the same point of view that the Judging Eye does - the Place, the Zero-God. When they become disassociated and blind (they use the phrase " A corona of gold across the high slopes of the glacier. . . . and then nothing. No thought. " they are able to see everything clearly.

They just have an incredibly wrong idea of why.

Excellent point.  That would somewhat explain why I had the feeling that the Voice was telling Kellhus things from the future and why I thought that The Thousandfold Thought itself was cast backward in time, the explanation of why was in the future, not in the past.  In reality it doesn't have to be Kellhus from the future, but rather, Kellhus dissociated from time, atemporal, or some such, in the Outside.  In other words, perhaps Kellhus himself already at the Zero-point?  Or Koringhus?  Or Kellhus as the Solitary God?

It can also answer how and why odd things like Kellhus being saved by Leweth, arriving at the mound of Cnaiur's father, and other seemingly improbable things that seem to keep happening to him.  White-Luck beyond even the White-Luck.
I like this a lot.  There are a couple of places in TGO that suggest time doesn't exist in the Outside the way it does in the World. 

In the World, at any given moment (an infinitely small slice of continuous time), one's viewpoint is limited to a single snapshot of three-dimensional space.

As an analogy, imagine a single frame of a video clip -- it's a 2D snapshot of a series of snapshots in time.  Similarly, the World consists of 3D snapshots in time.  These snapshots are "played back" at a continuous rate, and hence, we perceive time.

In the Outside, by contrast, there's no concept of "playback".  All moments/snapshots are perceivable simultaneously.  Thus, time isn't really a thing.

The questions I have are:

1. Does this mean that viewing the World from the Outside would allow one to glimpse any given moment? 

2. Does this mean that from the Outside, one can affect the World at any given moment?

What if it's all a probability trance? This "Earwa" we are seeing is the kellhus under the trees probability trance. He is dictating (thinking)to his legion. AE kellhus has realized that this reality is nothing but a thought that he is forcing into being reality. 
The TTT is a thought experiment to help to realize that existence is a thought itself that could be controlled into a reality.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Explaining Koringhus
« on: December 29, 2016, 03:40:52 pm »
"At last he could see it-the sideways step that gave lie to Logos.
This is one of the last inner POV thoughts koringus has and it reminds me of the ability of the WLW.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Meppa's Future Role?
« on: December 22, 2016, 11:49:05 pm »
My simple thoughts:
Kellhus is heaping emotional trauma onto Meppa, making his water even more powerful?

And a new theory about Akka kneeling to Kellhus. Akka will become the No-God and kellhus the savior will debate whether the world should end. Akka will argue that the world and the outside needs to be wiped clean and Kellhus will offer his idea for how damnation should work. Oh yeah and in the background a giant war.

General Earwa / Re: The Gods - which is your favorite?
« on: November 27, 2016, 01:14:34 am »
I just made a connection between Akka, Esmi, and Anagkë. I i remember at some point Esmi was telling akka thar her mother was a star reader and how it had been outlawed or forbidden.
Anagkë also seems to be associated with the stars. In the text is said that a star “had just entered the horizon of Anagkë, the Whore of Fate”. The augur calls this “an excellent conjunction”.

this is more of a prediction then a want.
Mimara's head will be removed and put on a pole. With the judging eye she will become the the device of determining who gets saved and who will be damned. This device could be a weapon for both The Consult or Kellhus.

The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO SPOILERS) Ishterebinth
« on: October 10, 2016, 08:10:09 pm »
I disagree. In one of the Ishterebith chapters Lastborn is crying, Sorweel thinks to himself about how when displaying emotions a Nonman face twists and looks like a sranc. And in a kinda discovery moment he understands that a sranc's grimace is yet another one of the 'vile's' stabs at Nonmen. Imagine fighting versions of your own distorted facial emotions.
The sranc were crafted to fuck with Nonmen in everyway: physical and emotionally.

Edit: LOL I'm wrong. I really need to read before posting my half-baked theories. Sorweel recalls Nin' ciljiras.

The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO SPOILERS) Ishterebinth
« on: October 10, 2016, 02:48:34 pm »
Found this in the prologue of TJE
When they grimaced, their blank and beautiful faces were clenched like crumpled silk, becoming the expressions of ancient and inbred men.
It's been there in front of us the whole time, the Nonmen are inbred humans. Who judging on what I remember of the song the oldest nonman was singing, went under ground and aimed their children as Spears.

Raketkanon- Nico Van Der Eeken

The fact that thEirik lyrics is nonsense add more to the Earwa feel.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Aorsi/Dagliash
« on: September 13, 2016, 10:10:32 pm »
*Gasp* you must burn the fields.

The Great Ordeal / [TGO Spoilers] My highdeal breakdown of Earwa
« on: September 11, 2016, 12:08:00 pm »
My highdeal breakdown of Earwa.

I'm sorry but this is going to be a layman's pop culture breakdown explained in the best way I can get these ideas out of my simple mind.

In a episode of Rick and Morty called The Rick's must be crazy, we find out Rick has created a pocket dimension and the  inhabitants sole purpose is to power his vehicles engine. By the end of that episode there is a pocket dimension  within a pocket dimension within a pocket dimension within a pocket dimension. (Inside each pocket dimension time moved faster and faster)

This is what I think may be happening in the "Bakkerverse". Where the Inchoroi may have been the original creations of the Hundred as a food source. Like every sentient race we've seen in the series like all have this notion of greatness. That pride of FUCK YOU! I WON'T BE FOOD TO NOBODY, BITCH! I guess that's a spicy flavor the hundred really enjoy.
But I think the Inchoroi were sick of being food and so they "Great oredealed" into space and found out that they couldn't escape the gods in space. So they made a pocket dimension, Earwa and entered thru the nail of heaven (pretty much a inny navel).

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Aorsi/Dagliash
« on: September 07, 2016, 01:07:53 pm »
Short story?

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Aorsi/Dagliash
« on: September 03, 2016, 04:07:02 pm »
He has the Holcamania, brother. He believes in the three demandments (prayer, training, vitamins) and fears no pain, fears no man. /I'm hungover and I find this hilarious for some reasons. Judge not...

OMG perfect. Lmao now I'm picturing Holca horgan. A huge man with little girls doll hair.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Music for TGO
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:27:28 pm »
I decided Death Grips - Hot Head was The Consult's theme song (specifically, the line "I just told 'em hell's existence")

Since TDTCB Kellhus's theme to me has been Fever Ray - If I had A Heart
Awesome pick. When I heard that song I think of TGO fighting the horde and the drums are the sranc arrows slapping shields, armor and flesh.

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