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What Came Before:

--- Quote from: Curethan ---I kinda imagine these 'intact' are non-men who've been locked in a room polishing stones or something to keep their memories from being overwritten.
Maybe they are actually kind of retarded.
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What Came Before:

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--- Quote from: lockesnow ---why?  the only erratics we've seen onscreen are quya.
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I don't think Cinial'jin was Quya.
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What Came Before:

--- Quote from: Wilshire ---
--- Quote from: Curethan ---I kinda imagine these 'intact' are non-men who've been locked in a room polishing stones or something to keep their memories from being overwritten.
Maybe they are actually kind of retarded.
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I have come to this conclusion myself. Perhaps they simply have been sitting in a room meditating for thousands of years. Though that is extremely lame and I hope it is not the case.

Back on topic though:

Though it had only occured to me just before I posted on the other thread, I'm glad someone was intrigued.

It seems that Kellhus needs some more allies, or at any rate, he needs the nonmen. He wouldn't have wasted ships full of men looking for them if he didn't. Now he could need them for several reasons. He may just need to ensure that they dont become enemies, or get in his way. He already has plenty of those, and have the nonmen on that list would certainly be bad.  This, or, he could need them as allies. I think this is more likely considering how hard he worked at contacting them, and also considering that he is going to take back their moribund outpost.

If he needs them as allies, then he would want them to be worth his time. I don't think he knows the state of their magic. I think that there is almost nothing known of the Quya by anyone, so it could be possible that Serwa is being sent to help them some. To teach them the Metagnosis perhaps? I certainly hope so, but that would take time. Something that the Ordeal has less of than anything else it seems. So maybe just a quick lesson on how to make some big explosions (they already have those nifty chariots so they dont need to teleport i dont think).
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What Came Before:

--- Quote from: Charamemas ---
--- Quote from: Wilshire ---
--- Quote from: Curethan ---I kinda imagine these 'intact' are non-men who've been locked in a room polishing stones or something to keep their memories from being overwritten.
Maybe they are actually kind of retarded.
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I have come to this conclusion myself. Perhaps they simply have been sitting in a room meditating for thousands of years. Though that is extremely lame and I hope it is not the case.
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Meditation does interesting things for the Dunyain ("The logos is without beginning or end"). Where would a Non-Man be after two millennia of such discipline? I want to see the result, even if it is a one-off.



--- Quote ---Back on topic though:

Though it had only occured to me just before I posted on the other thread, I'm glad someone was intrigued.

It seems that Kellhus needs some more allies, or at any rate, he needs the nonmen. He wouldn't have wasted ships full of men looking for them if he didn't.
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Kellhus, more than anything else, needs information about the No-God and the process of summoning him. Barring Maithanet and Papa Moe, who are both dead now, no one in the Three Seas has working knowledge of the Inchoroi and their intentions apart from the Mandate, and the impression we are given from the books is that the Mandate knows less than one might think, especially about the things that really matter. If Kellhus can make the summoning impossible (for instance, by killing one of both of the Inchoroi) then the Consult are defeated in principle, even if they will still be able to hide out and be immortal and depraved in the far north. But who has this information? The Non-Men are easily the best source of knowledge apart from Consult members themselves (who will be damnably difficult to subvert, haha see what I did there).
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What Came Before:

--- Quote from: Madness ---I wish the old Three-Seas was accessible for moments like these.

Bakker's quote about the Nonmen was that they'd spent these millenia looking for any means, sorcerous or otherwise, to forestall their cognitive decline.

I wouldn't be disappointed if the Nonmen were polishing stones or meditating. Hell, I can even envision something like a DBZ's Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

It's the sorcerous or otherwise that implies to me that Quya aren't all powerful in Nonmen society like they'd seem in Earwan society without the social constraint of Chorae. I'd think Ishroi would also have a chance at remaining Intact, neh?
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