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The Great Ordeal / Re: Serwa and Bakker's philosphy
« on: April 08, 2017, 12:29:30 pm »
Welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Askarn :).

Narrative aside, I don't know if that is Bakker's central out of text commitment. What you've described seems to be a possibility that extends from his arguments, though.

My bet is that Bakker is trying to convince people that, like perceptual thresholds, there exist a variety of thresholds to our more complex cognition; by his argument specifically academic philosophy and the greater humanities by extension. I think he'd rather be thinking about the bestiary but in over half a decade on the blog he's still convincing people that something like flicker fusion could have implications for our experience of consciousness and our pursuit of philosophy.

Probably not to the thread, though.

Thanks, nice to be here. On reflection, you're right, I let myself get a bit carried away regarding the importance of the concept. Then again, I'd probably have been disappointed if it was all that simple!

Doesn't she also see inanimate objects as not real as well? Which lends itself to this interpretation as well.

Sorweel is now real most likely as a consequence of having a co-mingled soul via the Amiolas.



Indeed, she started off with seeing (realizing?) inanimate objects as unreal and later discovered that people we unreal. Admittedly I'm still a bit shaky on why not being self-moving makes things unreal. Best that I can come up with is the idea that, having no will, they can be changed by the Real freely and thus have no existence independent of the Real.

I like the idea of the Amiolas making Sorweel real.

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The Great Ordeal / Serwa and Bakker's philosphy
« on: April 08, 2017, 02:59:51 am »
During Serwa's point of view, she recalls discovering that Esmenet (and everyone else except Kellhus) was "unreal". On reflection this seems to me to be a corollary of the Dunyain belief that what comes before determines what comes afterwards. Esmenet cannot change what came before, thus her actions are predetermined. People are merely stones rolling down a hill; only a self-moving soul is real in that its thoughts/actions have consequences.

Anyway what I was wonder is whether this is the central philosophical concern that Bakker has out of universe? That a sufficiently analyzed person/consciousness is merely a chain reaction of synapse firing in response to external stimuli. If our thoughts are merely the result of physical processes then our actions are no more the result of "choice" than a planet's orbit. Or am I on completely the wrong track here?

Guess this is less a question about TGO itself than about Bakker.


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