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Author Q&A / [TGO SPOILERS] Cûnuroi
« on: June 20, 2016, 10:50:02 pm »
Do you have a system and method for organizing the naming conventions or inventing names for the enormous amount of Cûnuroi names?

I very much enjoyed the epic catalog of non-men during Sorweel's first audience with the Nin-Ciljiras.

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Author Q&A / [TGO SPOILERS] Chipmunk
« on: June 20, 2016, 10:38:38 pm »
Does the boy destroy Chipmunk's "otherworldly edge" when he touches Chipmunk and the chorae together?

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Author Q&A / [TGO SPOILERS] Emilidis
« on: June 20, 2016, 10:28:24 pm »
Can you expound upon Emilidis for us? (maybe a preview of a glossary entry I'm guessing Emilidis might have?)


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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: Mimara
« on: June 20, 2016, 08:38:03 pm »
perhaps women are "less" because they are less prone to sin (the whole being desiring machines, or deceitful machines per Ent by way of opening aphorism). So Mimara perceives women as less because the 100 perceive women as less because women have less damnation built in and are thus less tasty/nutritious. The women being less thing is related to mechism of the gods valuing those whom best slake their appetites.

And if I'm correct that a goddess/mother created the universe and was slain to create the hundred, then perhaps the natural order of things pre-existing the benjuka plate of the creation of the 100 does not put women as less, but Mimara can't see that because she is within the frame of the benjuka plate controlled by the hundred.

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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: The head on a pole
« on: June 20, 2016, 08:20:37 pm »
also some connection to malowebi demon head?

or some connection to Koringhus thoughts on blindness?

or some connection to what Emilidis was trying to achieve with the Black Cauldron before it was turned into a prison/punishment after the fact?

I think the demon head is why the nonmen touched kellhus in the WLW, and likewise has something to do with how the nonmen were able to more or less instantly identify that Sorweel was demon touched by Yatwer.  They know some shit about this shit.

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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: The head on a pole
« on: June 20, 2016, 07:45:13 am »
Koringhus. Kellhus. Serwa. All have thoughts when they think about their distinctively other inner voice.

Koringhus even talks to his.

Like samarmis and kelmomas.

There is a head on a pole behind each of them.

Samarmis can even manifest to the point of biting the neck of the head in front of him.

Then there is the confounding factor of onkis. Inrau names her the goddess of the darkness that precedes everything. Shaeonanra described her in similar terms.

Her aspect is a head on a pole.

Kellhus says in the rape of proyas scene that he discovered the head on the pole.

So I think it is a technique that may be unique to the Dunya in but could also be an onkis derived tool for navigating the outside.

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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: Crowdsourcing Errors/Corrections
« on: June 20, 2016, 07:27:01 am »
Yes, and all the rules of benjuka.

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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: Ishterebinth
« on: June 19, 2016, 04:17:34 pm »
I was going to type out all three of the boat man's songs last night but was just too tired. That is the last one. A different one. After oinaral died

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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: Momemn
« on: June 19, 2016, 08:29:18 am »
it's 1:29am, I haven't the time to read the whole thread yet.

Kellhus v Meppa was pretty awesome.

But there's a niggling thing about it I don't like.

It feels like fan-service.

I wonder if in an earlier draft Esmenet really did kill Meppa.

But that agency was taken away from her to give fans more Kellhus kicking ass moments? To forestall decades of "who wins in a fight type debates."

I got a little bit of the same vibe off the clumsy line of Kellhus thinking, "I'm more powerful than Titirga." It sounds more like answering fan questions than a natural thought progression.

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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: Ishterebinth
« on: June 19, 2016, 08:24:47 am »
Much more importantly

Quote
They did hoist Anarlû’s head high,
And poured down its blood as fire.
And the ground gave forth many sons,
Ninety nine who were as Gods,
And so bid their fathers
Be as sons…

my interpretation:

Cunoroi created the Hundred/The Gods --that's the great metaphysical whodunnit (we don't know the whydunnit yet)

And just like how the NoGod made slaves of its consult father, the Gods made slaves of their Cunoroi fathers

(where now are the dead fathers?,to quote TJE opener)

So that is why the Gods are referred to as SONS throughout the text of TGO, they are the sons of the Cunoroi. and this is why we haven't gotten creation myths of the world because its the key to the metaphysical whodunnit.

Perhaps this is also why the Nonmen seek oblivion, they're trying to hide from their mistake. and they don't want to destroy their greatest creation.

Also, Anarlû is probably the nonman name for Onkis, would be my guess. the goddess of the darkness that comes before. Her head is on a pole. hmm...

I'm guessing that Anarlu, she is the great creator of the universe. The Cunoroi hunted her down, killed her, cut off her head, and then created the 99 gods as described. The cunoroi then became the slaves, the bread, of their dread creation.

So then. Do the Consult come to exact vengeance upon the fools who condemned the universe to damnation, to exact retribution about the fools who killed the great goddess creator of the universe?

Did the Cunoroi do it because they wanted to raise up men above women. Thus SONS and FATHERS being the terminology used to describe the aftermath of their execution of Anarlu?





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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: Ishterebinth
« on: June 19, 2016, 08:10:37 am »
pfah!

I had no impression that Serwe was going to sing sorcery.

but if she were, poison pin obviously refers to a good old "Math Thesis Point" from the False Sun, and since both the glamour about Golgotteranth and the Agonic Collar were both wrought by Emilidis, and both probably work on similar principles of deflection/redirection (which is why it has to be a circle, an Agonic Collar or an ouroborian circle) then therefore a maththesis point (a poison pin, a key!) directed at the collar ought to disable it just as the glamour was disabled.

So that's how she can probably get out collar if need be, most sorcerors either direct sorcery outward (which just causes them to always miss and hit themselves) or at the collar itself (which likewise just always misses and hits themselves) but a maththesis point would not be able to be redirected.

Kellhus would have derived such a solution because he'd want to know how to get out of one as well.

But I think Hirtius is right and it is going to be 'mundane' singing that turns the court against itself.

On the other hand. The chorae theory could be correct,

"it bounced across the grill immediately before her, clattered through a wagging grove directly toward her face, oblivion promising oblivion. A Concussion wracked the platform, and, somewhere, an anchor snapped, and the whole dropped, tilted to her left. The Chorae chipped to a halt a mere cubit from her face. She followed the fingers clasped about the emptiness of the thing and saw Sorweel, his face blodded for flayed skin, his blue eyes fluttering as he strained to focus upon her..."

It sounds like the ending of the Momemn chapter, the chorae was meant to kill Serwe, just as the Yatwerian sent chorae falling out of the  ceiling of the andiamine heights were meant for kellhus. In the WLW version of the momemn scene, Yatwer even blinks the tears-of-god into existence herself, casting them at Kellhus. Given Yatwer is having all of the Anasurimbor children killed, I imagine the appearance of the chorae is like the appearance of the stork (twice?thrice) in Ishterebinth, direct intervention of the God. What happens here is that Sorweel has rejected Yatwere, and he reaches out and catches and stops the chorae from rolling and hitting Serwa,

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TGO ARC Discussion / Re: Crowdsourcing Errors/Corrections
« on: June 19, 2016, 07:57:28 am »
aphorism formatting is all fucked up. All attributions should be in the following format:

AUTHOR, TITLE

all caps for both, Titles are always in italics Author is always first.

the aphorisms in the ARC are just willynilly formatted in a variety of forms.

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I'm disapointed this forum isn't named Ishuäl

:D

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General Misc. / Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S6)
« on: June 13, 2016, 06:37:08 pm »
It's a trainwreck.

I wonder what GRRM thinks, cause it really is a terrible show. The books are very good, the first 3 are great.
The last two books were a train wreck with occasional flashes of brilliance. The show has faithfully replicated that from the books. this season has been stronger than last as they are extricating themselves from the impenetrable narrative knots Martin tied himself in. But the narrative aimlessness of the last two books still.hasnt been completely leached out.

That said beyond the weak plotting of the last two books, the bigger problem us that almost all the conflict is internalized within layers of subterfuge and obfuscation. You can portray some of that on tv, but you'll bog down the narrative like the books. Or you can painfully simplify and externalize all the conflict in really broad scenes, as Aryas faceless man plot (and others) has been handled--but it does stink for book readers in some respects, but they're trying to drive her narrative out of its stasis, otherwise bravos becomes another meereen.

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Finally got a notice from amazon my preorder was upgraded to release day delivery. I might cancel the Kindle pre order now

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