[Garet Jax]

Well, arguably, there's a small chance that some of the original Quya practitioners still exist and work with the Consult. Though, considering the extermination the Inchoroi and their original Nonman allies, I'd say that the original Aporetic Quya are likely dead.

IMO, original is the keyword there.  Couldn't there be more Nonman that have gone over to the consult since then?  Or even a lift on the Aporetic ban in efforts to counter whatever it is the Inchoroi did to the Nonman?

[Madness]

Lol - well, apparently, according to Nil'giccas, all of them have gone over to the Consult since then.

But I think the Nonman objected to the Aporos because it enables the balance of power we find in the Three-Seas, which the Nonman seemingly wanted to avoid.

[Cüréthañ]

Perhaps it was banned because of the metaphysical implications.  Like Copernicus or Darwin... 

[Madness]

Lol. Touche.

[Wilshire]

Perhaps it was banned because of the metaphysical implications.  Like Copernicus or Darwin...

Banned by whom? Sure yes the Nonman powers that were, but what if the "Gods" saw Aporetic Sorcery as a threat to their own existence. If they are just more powerful ciphrang, they may be affected by the chorae.

Also, could it be possible that chorae affect the Gods' avatars? Maybe this is why Sorweel was given his chorae in that sack. Not to hide it from Serwa (who didn't even notice its affects), but rather to shield its effects from Yatwer herself. We know that "unmarked" schoolman still died after being touched by the chrorae, and so did Ciphrang, so why something like the White-Luck Warrior or the body that Yatwer had assumed when she came to Sorweel?

[Madness]

We know that "unmarked" schoolman still died after being touched by the chrorae

I don't think so?

[Wilshire]

We know that "unmarked" schoolman still died after being touched by the chrorae

I don't think so?

The Cish are affect the same as the others, or at least thats the the SS says. Are there really no descriptions of one of them being hit by a chorae?

 Didn't mean to suggest that those of the Few that don't use sorcery die.

[Madness]

The Cish are affect the same as the others, or at least thats the the SS says. Are there really no descriptions of one of them being hit by a chorae?

There are three described explicitly. One Cishaurim Proyas kills, one Kellhus kills, and Moenghus the Elder.

Didn't mean to suggest that those of the Few that don't use sorcery die.

Indeed. That was my mistaken assumption.

[Madness]

The Chorae are actually sorcerous artifacts (of something called the 'Aporos'), manufactured prior to the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars (by Quya defectors) as a way for the Inchoroi to counter the sorcery of the Nonmen. The script inscribed across each embodies a contradiction that unravels the semantics of all known Cants - even those of the Aporos!

Aporetic Cants?

[Cüréthañ]

I speculate that is what Mimara used on the wight-king.

[Wilshire]

The Chorae are actually sorcerous artifacts (of something called the 'Aporos'), manufactured prior to the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars (by Quya defectors) as a way for the Inchoroi to counter the sorcery of the Nonmen. The script inscribed across each embodies a contradiction that unravels the semantics of all known Cants - even those of the Aporos!

My bold. I read this and realized that that the Aporos us undone by its own creation. I already knew this, but it made me think that perhaps its something other than sorcery that creates it? ... Thaumaturgy, but of a different kind than the Cish.

Baring that, I don't understand how a true Quya could make one of these without bursting into salt (if indeed that is how it kills them).

[Madness]

Baring that, I don't understand how a true Quya could make one of these without bursting into salt (if indeed that is how it kills them).

+1 based on the previous threads being convinced that it would be a Mark sorcerers undoing, or that Aporos couldn't have Cants...

[Wilshire]

I just see the Aporos a school off Wards, but also all kinds pf anti-magic magic. They could have cants that paralyze, or somehow temporarily stop the subject from perceiving the onta. It doesn't seem too much of a contradiction in my mind. I think that just one facet of that school was the discovery of chroae, which is now the only artifact that shows us that it even existed. Like the Diamos is the forbbidden branch of Anagogic sorcery, perhaps chorae where a 'forbidden' magic of the Aporos. The production of chorae may have arisen from research into the Aporos, but that doesn't necessarily mean it follows the same mechanics as the rest of their school.
Follow that distinction, I wonder if one might classify the Diamos as a thaumaturgic practice... We don't "know" that summoning Ciphrang marks you or damns you (bit of a stretch).

[mrganondorf]

Speculation on why the aporos was banned: perhaps you have to have the judging eye to do it and so few did that it put all other nonmen sorcerers at risk.  Also, was the aporos banned for similar reasons that the mangeacca were censured?

[Wilshire]

IIRC the Mangaecca were banned largely because they revived Aporatic sorcery.

We are told that the Aporos was banned because it was deemed too dangerous by the Nonmen. This decision was probably largely political, as I get the idea that many of the Quya where nobles or whatever the Nonmen called their higer-caste citizens.